A 4x4 question (sorry). 4HLR vs 4LLR

[Rich L]

A dumb 4x4 question and I really SHOULD know this.

With all this snow, seems opportune to ask.

Under what conditions should I be using 4HLR vs 4LLR or vice versa in my Shogun? I appreciate LLR is Low ratio (good for rock climbing). The manual is very unhelpful (describes LLR for "getting out of tight spots").

Deep sand?
Slippery slipways?
Snow?
Grass?
Deep mud?

Anyone recommend a low cost 4x4 training course?

Thanks

Rich

[Biggles]

Rich,

It all depends on the conditions in each of the circumstances you have stated.

Don't be afraid to use it and try it out for yourself. If you don't use these functions on 4 X 4s you eventually get problems with seals etc drying out.

I wouldn't have use Low Ratio today to get to work for instance but if I was crossing a muddy field then I would certainly consider it.

I wouldn't use it on a road or track with 1 inch of snow but certainly would if it was over 1 foot deep.

As regards a course here is somewhere to start looking.

http://www.landrover.org/Links.html

Regards Nick.

[bedajim]

Originally Posted by Rich L

A dumb 4x4 question and I really SHOULD know this.

With all this snow, seems opportune to ask.

Under what conditions should I be using 4HLR vs 4LLR or vice versa in my Shogun? I appreciate LLR is Low ratio (good for rock climbing). The manual is very unhelpful (describes LLR for "getting out of tight spots").

Deep sand?
Slippery slipways?
Snow?
Grass?
Deep mud?

Anyone recommend a low cost 4x4 training course?

Thanks

Rich

2x4 - dry roads and normal driving

4x4 high - grass fields, snow, very very wet roads

4x4 low - sand, deeper snow, mud, fording water, boat/car recovery etc

You may also find that 4x4 switching is advised with the car stopped and it's best to be in the low range before you need it

[codprawn]

Do you get transmission windup on grippy surfaces with this setup then? Advantages of the LR are they are always in 4wd.

[simmons0]

Don't really see that as an advantage of the landrover.. Would much rather just be rwd on the roads all the time.

In my pickup today I only used 4wd on a handfull of roads which were completely covered in snow or up steep hills.
If you use 4wd on grippy surfaces when your tyres can't spin you get transmission windup which will do some damage over a period of time.

Low box, just for steep hills, wading, deep mud. Situations when you can't or don't want to drive at normal road speeds.
4wdHI, for snowy roads, slightly muddy fields, gravel tracks maybe. When you want to keep up a decent speed but aren't on a grippy surface.

Harry

[bedajim]

Originally Posted by codprawn

Do you get transmission windup on grippy surfaces with this setup then? Advantages of the LR are they are always in 4wd.

yes big time the truck jumps as the tyres let go

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by simmons0

Don't really see that as an advantage of the landrover.. Would much rather just be rwd on the roads all the time.

In my pickup today I only used 4wd on a handfull of roads which were completely covered in snow or up steep hills.
If you use 4wd on grippy surfaces when your tyres can't spin you get transmission windup which will do some damage over a period of time.

Low box, just for steep hills, wading, deep mud. Situations when you can't or don't want to drive at normal road speeds.
4wdHI, for snowy roads, slightly muddy fields, gravel tracks maybe. When you want to keep up a decent speed but aren't on a grippy surface.

Harry

The advantages of full time 4wd are huge - for example today I was driving some very slippery roads that had patches of tarmac showing through now and again. It certainly didn't warrent diff lock but I know it would have been hard work in a RWD car. With the LR system you only get wind up if you use the diff lock. When I hit the Roman Road I had to use diff lock - virgin snow over sheet ice!!!

Also when you are towing permanent 4wd is much safer.

It sounds to me very much like the old system they had on the Series Land Rovers years ago.

[Rich L]

OK great thanks all. The other obvious question is...

When pulling away in LLR (or HLR) on a slipway say, or on ice - is there any advantage to being in 2nd gear (4 gear auto box, diesel) instead of relying on the auto-box?

Thanks

Rich

[Biggles]

Its very similar.

I have the same setup on my Frontera. Can be a pain in the not so bad conditions where you only need 4 wheel drive briefly. But I suppose it does save on fuel when in 2 wheel drive mode.

Mine is an absolute b----- to steer at slow speeds in 4 wheel drive on tarmac. In fact you can't steer it.

Looks like a lot of Jap 4 x 4 s favour this setup.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Rich L

OK great thanks all. The other obvious question is...

When pulling away in LLR (or HLR) on a slipway say, or on ice - is there any advantage to being in 2nd gear (4 gear auto box, diesel) instead of relying on the auto-box?

Thanks

Rich

Doesn't your vehicle have some sort of system that you can switch in when towing from start off that stops the auto box kicking in to 2nd. My mates Toyota does and it stops the vehicle struggling because the gears have changed too early.