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Old 04 September 2006, 08:45   #11
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Good for you - they have a petition as well - just signed it.

About time we put the antis in their place!!!
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Old 04 September 2006, 08:52   #12
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Who does he have to justify it to? You? You run a boat for your hobby. Doesn't that smell of Hypocrisy?
Not really Jono. I live in a very built up area where using large 4x4 vehicles for the school run / shopping is rather antisocial. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, but thats life
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Old 04 September 2006, 08:58   #13
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An interesting article on the BBC site today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/5309190.stm

And the campaigners website:
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/

I especially like the 10 reasons not to drive a 4x4 in town:

1. You're not a farmer
2. Your family fits into a saloon car or people carrier
3. You will breathe cleaner air
4. You will save money
5. You won't have to lie to your grandchildren (about your contribution to climate change)
6. You will be less likely to kill a pedestrian
7. You might see a small child early enough to avoid backing over them
8. You will be less likely to injure people in other cars
9. You will have a better time driving
10. People won't think you are an 'idiot'

1. I'm not a chauffeur or taxi-driver either but find a car most practical
2. Most of which have emissions worse than my 4x4
3. No, we're higher up where the air is cleaner (and my emissions are better than yours, ner!)
4. On what exactly?
5. Are you purely going to assess my contribution on my car then?
6. I don't care!
7. My reversing detectors would tell me they are there.
8. I don't care about others in cars!
9. You don't know what turns me on about driving.
10. I don't give a f**k what other people think.
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Old 04 September 2006, 09:24   #14
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Not really Jono. I live in a very built up area where using large 4x4 vehicles for the school run / shopping is rather antisocial. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, but thats life
I think the whole school run thing is anti social. What the hell is wrong with walking??? Oh of course - the kids may be abducted - despite the fact there are no more cases of "stranger" attacks than there has ever been. Good old media drumming up the scare tactics again!!!

"The news headlines often give the impression of paedophiles or killers on every street corner, murdering every passing child. The official statistics present a much different picture. According to government figures only five children are murdered by strangers each year in England and Wales, on average (6). Most child homicides are in fact committed by the parents. Over the last 25 years there has been no increase in child murder by strangers. The overall murder rate (all ages) is the same now as it was in 1857 (roughly 13 per million of the population per year) (7)."
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You can tell this anti 4x4 site is staffed by blue sky thinkers....I was thinking of volunteering for them. I have so many cracking ideas:

1. Buses, if no -ones on board; a/ drop the fares or b/ pull over and stay there till more people turn up.
2. Commuters; get Jeremy Clarkson to convert your car into a small mobile home then you would not need to commute and could live in it outside work.
3. Polish people dont drive all the way across Europe to get to Britian how about working in France?
4. Bloated Labour MPs why not teleconference especially if you need to do any dodgy super casino shystering.
5. If someone offers you a cheap deal to the continent, accept it then give it to a 4x4 owner because they wont be able to do two things at once.
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Not really Jono. I live in a very built up area where using large 4x4 vehicles for the school run / shopping is rather antisocial. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, but thats life

Good grief. If you're worried about the appeasing the militant environmentalists, don't let on that you actually own a powerboat. That'll send them into conniptions. Here are 10 reasons why you should sell your RIB:

1. You're not a commercial fisherman.

2. Your family and relatives can all fit in a 4x4 converted to a drift boat watertight enough to make the passage from Cuba to Miami (or would you be heading to Cuba? - I hear it's a real utopia over there).

3. We should relish breathing in the downtown air while driving our cars rather than inhaling an offshore breeze.

4. The money saved on your RIB could be used for the important things in life like sex, drugs and rock & roll.

5. If your grandchildren experience a RIB outing they might actually enjoy it enough that they eventually purchase their own. This could result in a proliferation of RIBs on the water and and a shortage of people diving there environmentally friendly cars in the cities.

6. You will be less likely to kill a swimmer the next time you go through a roped off swimming area by the beach at 40 knots.

7. After not doing #6 you will be even less likely to hit the reverse and get the child you just narrowly missed while aiming for the parent on the first run through.

8. While you will be more likely to injure people in other cars now that you are spending more time in your car rather than a boat, you will be much, much less likely to injure other people in boats.

9. You will spend a lot more time driving (since you no longer have the boat option).

10. You can obsess about what other people think about you while driving your car (in the city), rather than worrying about silly things like boueys and navigational instruments and such.
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Not really Jono. I live in a very built up area where using large 4x4 vehicles for the school run / shopping is rather antisocial. I don't expect everyone to agree with that, but thats life
Why,
Economy?
my Discovery does 26mpg around town
my 2.0ltr Volvo did 23.
One of the suggested alternatives, a Chrysler Grand Voyager does just 21



Safety of others? have a look here Sydney news

So please explain why my Disco is anti-social and yet the Voyager is fine?
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So please explain why my Disco is anti-social and yet the Voyager is fine?
Really starting to regret light heartedly posting something from the BBC news website!

Size is my biggest complaint. A lot of the southsea streets are narrow, with limited parking, and big 4x4s are a pain to squeeze past and have huge turning circles. (It goes the same for the big estate cars too).
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Old 04 September 2006, 13:35   #19
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....Size is my biggest complaint. A lot of the southsea streets are narrow, with limited parking, and big 4x4s are a pain to squeeze past ..
Interesting perception you have.. my LandRover 110 which you must agree is thought of as a pretty "big" 4X4 is actually an inch narrower than say a ford Mondeo... perhaps your driving skills and width judgement need to be sharpened up? I donít have any difficulty getting my vehicle into a regular sized car parking spaceÖ
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