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Old 12 December 2006, 15:48   #1
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new be ?

In the research mode for a rib and was turned on to this by a fellow ribber. A couple ?s from you as stated this would be my first and got a lot of learning and this is the place. I know this looks like a yacht tender but would be all right for cruising up and down our coast (some what protected not open to the swells) not that i don't want to take it out there later. It is great in shape, the motor does seem a little over powered but if the boat could handle it fine with me. the last ? If i was to put a keeel guard on it then would that make a big differance on beaching it on our coast?
Thanx for your advice Cecil










15' Zodiac Yacht Line 440 series
Year: 2003
Current Price: Can$ 18,500

Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type:115/ Single Gas
yami 4stroke 9 hrs
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Old 12 December 2006, 16:58   #2
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Well, Let's see: I'm guessing that a 440 would be between a 420 and a 470 (That may or may not be true, though I doubt it will change all that much as the data is presented.)

A Yachtline 470 (15.5 ft, has a max allowed power of 70hp, so I think you're more than a bit overpowered. The hull will *probably* handle it (you'd need to develop a sensitive throttle hand, I would think, and the "probably is just a guess), but insurance may well be a problem (worst case, of course, would be that someone gets hurt, and the ins co. refuses to pay due to your exceeding manufacturers specs.) It would pay to do some research before buying. (And to get a letter stating that they are covering you, the boat, and everything else with the power you have on there.)

The big problem I see is the engine weight. Max engine weights on current models are 264# on a 420 (13.9'), and 375# on the 470. The F115 dry, in a short shaft, weighs 402. Real world, probably 420 to 440 with rigging, etc. Not a real safe condition, especially if you're planning to be in *any* kind of weather.

There are a couple of other Vancouverites on here (Vancouverans? Vancouveranians? Vancouverish folk? Whatever...) who will probably chime in to give you a much better picture of sea states up there than I could.

Personally, I think you're looking at a recipe for dister.

Luck;

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Old 12 December 2006, 17:14   #3
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Unsuitable rib

How Do Farsider,

Seeing as you ask and only seeing as you ask,

It is unsuitable for your needs from a few points as far as I can see.
The engine is too heavy and over powered for your boat and in a following sea closing the throttle with the heavy engine will do nothing for your confidence to see water coming in over the stern well as your Plane wave (water displaced by the bow, ) catches up with you.
It will also be dangerously fast unless fully laden at which stage the engine is weighing you down even further.
I alos think for a first timer you should not go out too far from help. Get the RNLI safety at sea and study. The sea is a very unkind training course.
You may go out in a gingerly F3 with tide when the wind picks up a few kts to F5 and the tide has turned against you as you did not check it was slack water. If you think that the boat is unkind, wait till your wife gets you back to shore....and I dont blame her.

So dude, if going sort of off shore, you need at least 6 mtr with that engine.
Heavy Duty would be Ribcraft 5.8 mtr plus
Lighter duty with a touch of "we are here" Ribeye 6 Mtr.
Seen a few of these on Boats and Outboards.
Also mentioned a lovely beati of 6.5 Ribeye eep v Sport with under power 115 Yam 4 stroke on it.... much better option in my opinion...It will not cost too much to upgrade yam 115 for 50 recommended size in due couse

Wait now for the "Sages du Mer" and they will have chapter and verse or you.
Me? I am shitless off shore. I prefer a yacht. When I see white caps in Rib it means "time for the Bar" seen too much action dude, too many straight hits to the head....
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Old 12 December 2006, 17:22   #4
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PS Vancooverians

You will find the south English shores a little more exoposed than going up river in Vancoover, I am guessing.

Get the current Rib Interntional and read on rough water also check threads on Corryveckin.

Itsthe short chop on the stern with white caps that you need to be aware of and a heavy engine will not help. Janski is also correct on the insurance, I think you may be in excess of rec hp for Zodiak.

The Boat show is on soon... What is your budget by teh way. Post it and you may get a few offers...
You can always say no.....
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Old 12 December 2006, 18:48   #5
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Better deals are out there.

I'd recommend something from either Zodiac's Mil-Pro level boats (Hurricanes, SRMN, SROs) or something from Polaris, Titan or Hy-Seas (all local RIB builders). Those lines will offer a far sturdier craft than Zodiac's PVC pleasure boats and if buying pre-owned, will get you much more boat for your money.
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Old 12 December 2006, 19:42   #6
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Thanx for the replys i was thinking along the same lines (prarie tuber)going out to see Guy this week and look at his shop. Funny how when your looking at something and it just doesn't seem right (115hp)and the rib it self but i thought to ask your opinions maybe i was missing something
thanx Cecil
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Tell Guy that Mark from Winnipeg sent ya. Not sure if he'll remember me, but he spent a fair bit of time showing me around the shop a couple years back. Guy is a class act and the quality of their boats are first rate.
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Will do ...... talk to him on the phone for awhile both of us talking our old motorcycle days him being from isle of man was very intresting
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Old 12 December 2006, 21:39   #9
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Also worth while to check out liquid metal marine in sidney on vancouver island. They make excellent ribs. I have a heavy duty 20ft polaris hull for sale with no power. www.liquidmetalmarine.com Have you checked inflatable boat sales www.inflatableboatsales.com
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Hey Farsider;

Do me a favor as well, and send Guy a Howdy from John Yasaki in California.

Good man; real treat to deal with as far as designing and building. Haven't seen the shop, so would enjoy hearing about whatever you find when you get there.

Appreciate it;

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