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Old 20 January 2012, 02:38   #1
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Boating in California 101?

Trying to do a quick assessment of "What I need to do/know to start boating in CA".

So it looks like a boat is treated similar to a car with the CA DMV - I need to get it registered and pay some nominal registration fees but there are no license fees based on the vehicle value?

Property tax??? OK, so it looks like I'll need to pay a 1% of assessed value tax (San Mateo County). Does that sound about right?

OK, so I've got Registration and Property Tax costs. Is insurance mandatory and is a minimum coverage set (didn't see anything in the ABC's of CA Boating pdf)? If so, what would be the recommended coverage on a 13' 20hp SIB?

Operators license not needed, correct?

Does that pretty much cover it or are there other Preservation-of-the-Spotted-Sea-Urchin-Restroration-Tax-Stamp type fees that I'll be paying?
Thanks from a noob!
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Old 20 January 2012, 06:17   #2
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From one noob to another. Sure you have been here already but this is the site that should answer your questions.
Department of Boating and Waterways or send them an email...pretty good at responding

pubinfo@dbw.ca.gov

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Old 20 January 2012, 11:43   #3
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Trying to do a quick assessment of "What I need to do/know to start boating in CA".

So it looks like a boat is treated similar to a car with the CA DMV - I need to get it registered and pay some nominal registration fees but there are no license fees based on the vehicle value?
$20 / 2 years, if I remember right. DMV issues CF numbers for boats under 100 tons (I think) or over if the owner decides not to document with the CG.



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Property tax??? OK, so it looks like I'll need to pay a 1% of assessed value tax (San Mateo County). Does that sound about right?
It's actually the same tax as a really expensive car; luxury tax, I think it's called. My boat was registered as a $20K calue, and still runs something like $400/year.


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Is insurance mandatory and is a minimum coverage set (didn't see anything in the ABC's of CA Boating pdf)? If so, what would be the recommended coverage on a 13' 20hp SIB?
No. Voluntary insurance, but it's wise to cover yourself for liability (prop strikes, MOB injuries, hitting stuff), as well as replacement cost of the boat.

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Operators license not needed, correct?
Not in California. Yet.


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Does that pretty much cover it or are there other Preservation-of-the-Spotted-Sea-Urchin-Restroration-Tax-Stamp type fees that I'll be paying?
Thanks from a noob!
Nope, nothing else, unless your ramp/beach/wherever you put in has a fee.


You might want to surf to the Department of Boating and Waterways site and take their online test (designed for BUI offenders), as it *may* get you break on insurance. Good knowledge in any case. And if you want a fairly comprehensive guide to boating (with a hell of a lot more stuff than you need), buy a copy of Chapman Piloting, available at West Marine or just about any other chandler, and many bookstores.

Luck;

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Perfect. Thanks.

CA DBW sez (The California Boating Safety Course) "Those who successfully complete the course are awarded Certificates of Completion which are recognized by many insurance companies for discounts on boat insurance policies." Is that the BUI offender course?

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$20 / 2 years, if I remember right. DMV issues CF
numbers for boats under 100 tons (I think) or over if the owner decides not to document with the CG.





It's actually the same tax as a really expensive car; luxury tax, I think it's called. My boat was registered as a $20K calue, and still runs something like $400/year.




No. Voluntary insurance, but it's wise to cover yourself for liability (prop strikes, MOB injuries, hitting stuff), as well as replacement cost of the boat.



Not in California. Yet.




Nope, nothing else, unless your ramp/beach/wherever you put in has a fee.


You might want to surf to the Department of Boating and Waterways site and take their online test (designed for BUI offenders), as it *may* get you break on insurance. Good knowledge in any case. And if you want a fairly comprehensive guide to boating (with a hell of a lot more stuff than you need), buy a copy of Chapman Piloting, available at West Marine or just about any other chandler, and many bookstores.

Luck;

jky


[Edit: Sorry, Ribby_D; didn't see your reply before I typed mine.]
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the same one. Difference is that a BUI offender is required to take it, while a recreational boater has it as an option.

It's not a big deal; the study material is all online, and the test is not exactly the hardest thing in the world. Largely simple common sense, mostly geared towards safety. When in doubt, pick the answer that keeps you safer, and you'll usually be right (it is a state sponsored program after all.)

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Old 25 January 2012, 14:19   #6
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Anyone tried to register a boat from auction in California?

-Talked to Willard in Anaheim, there is no HIN on the transom.
-Per the CA DMV website, "The department will not assign a HIN to a vessel 'commercially manufactured' after 1972."
-I've done a lot of google'ing and haven't found anything.

I spent 20 minutes on hold this morning trying to talk to someone at the DMV but had to give up.

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Old 25 January 2012, 14:40   #7
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Anyone tried to register a boat from auction in California?

-Talked to Willard in Anaheim, there is no HIN on the transom.
-Per the CA DMV website, "The department will not assign a HIN to a vessel 'commercially manufactured' after 1972."
-I've done a lot of google'ing and haven't found anything.

I spent 20 minutes on hold this morning trying to talk to someone at the DMV but had to give up.

Thanks!
Willard built it after 1972 but without a HIN? I am guessing this boat was made for the military or a prototype of some sort? Or was the HIN destroyed somehow (ground off).

Edit: I'm not in California but at least in Washington, I would recommend going in person to the office with your bill of sale and any other documents that you have. The counter people are way better at making things happen in person than describing what they need or do via the phone. You may be directed to get something else somewhere else. Its a pain, but you are highly likely to get conflicting answers on the phone or just waste time on hold.
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Thanks captjack, I was afraid someone would say that.

Yes, it was purchased at auction, ex-Navy 7m. I'm the second owner but the 1st owner never registered it in his home state of Washington.

I'm not looking forward to towing the boat to the dmv just to register it but I'm thinking that's what I may have to do. There a whole list of reasons that you might have to bring a car in to register (out of state, out of country, etc.) but nothing specifically about boats. I was hoping that someone who has done it before would have an easy solution (wishful thinking!).

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I wouldn't tow the actual boat over there. You have a bill of sale right? Who wrote that up? I'd take a few pictures and bring those along with all the paperwork that you do have. You may end up bringing it to a vehicle inspection station or something like that, which probably isn't the actual DMV office (up here its done by the State Patrol, aka State Police)

Odd to me that it was never registered in Washington. We title even the smallest boats (but not engines). Very odd that Willard just omitted a HIN too.

So...
No HIN ever issued by manufacturer (ok plausible Willard does make alot of Navy stuff...)
Not registered in WA (a 7m power boat zipping around unregistered for how many years??)
No HIN ever issued by WA
Resold out of state at an auction

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but something about this smells kinda shady.
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I'm in the car this afternoon for a long commute home...I'll call the DMV to see if I should bring it in with me. I was able to schedule an appt. online with them for tomorrow afternoon. I'm thinking that they'll want to verify that there is no HIN; otherwise, I doubt that I will convince them to issue me a new one.

Sorry, to clarify, he bought at auction, fixed a couple of [big] items, then sold it to me. He said he never registered it because he always planned to resell it and only used it a handful of times.

I have:
1. The previous owners printouts from govliquidation.com showing the boat and the Navy Hull number (7MRBXXXX). It also has "sold to" info with his name.
2. The signed bill of sale that he and I wrote up (copied & pasted from the internet into a 1 page document). Pretty complete.

This should suffice for chain of ownership.

When I talked to Willard Marine this morning, they said that they only put the "HRN" number on the transom for the Navy and that the Coast Guard told them they don't need an HIN (that would never get registered with the Coast Guard anyway) because it's "not a pleasure boat".

I'll let everyone know how this plays out tomorrow....
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