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Old 19 June 2016, 15:26   #1
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I have a zodiac 650 defender pro that is just over a year old. It is the work or law enforcement model and is supposed to be tough. All I can say is this is the poorest put together boat I have ever seem. The leaning post seat has broken twice. The lift handles are coming unglued. Today we can home in moderate seas (3 ft ish) and the rear passenger seat collapsed. There were very two light passengers sitting on it and this put us in a tough spot with people flying around with me having to pay attention to driving the boat. The poor quality make what should be a very safe boat a hazard on the water. Shame on Zodiac.
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Old 19 June 2016, 17:04   #2
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Send it back and get your money back not fit for purpose
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Old 19 June 2016, 17:13   #3
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Send it back and get your money back not fit for purpose
I'm sure that one of those passengers, um, slightly injured themselves? Might help in the decision making?
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And the quicker the better!
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Old 20 June 2016, 08:32   #5
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I know that part. Looks like you have the 300 lb limit version.

Here's the 500 lb limit version:
https://www.amazon.com/Sea-Dog-Line-.../dp/B002IV8J66
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Both those look like joke fittings - suitable for use while stationary but hopeless for a seat underway. I note they call them table supports...
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Both those look like joke fittings - suitable for use while stationary but hopeless for a seat underway. I note they call them table supports...
A hinge is a hinge. It's all about the engineering of the part. Clearly, the limitation is the two crossbars. On the 500 lb version, there are stampings to increase the rigidity of the component.

Even if we assumed Seadog built to a 2:1 safety ratio (which is on the low side, most manufacturers chase a 3:1 or 5:1), that would put even the light duty hinges at 600 lb capacity. Then, we'll assume the load is divided evenly amongst both hinges, so we'll times this by two. Meaning, the hinges would have had to seen in excess of 1200 lb of loading to fail.

I'm a geek though. I like simple math. And overbuilding things.

We COULD take the kg weight of his passengers, total cubic centimeters occupied by their butts, approximate seating position (sitting close to the edge will act like a lever to multiply the forces involved), and the approximate height in which the passengers jammed their butts down on the seat to calculate the total dynamic loading on the hinges...
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I'm a geek though. I like simple math. And overbuilding things.

We COULD take the kg weight of his passengers, total cubic centimeters occupied by their butts, approximate seating position (sitting close to the edge will act like a lever to multiply the forces involved), and the approximate height in which the passengers jammed their butts down on the seat to calculate the total dynamic loading on the hinges...
You can factor in a prolonged period of their butts falling to meet a rising seat as well. That seat was beaten into submission.
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To be clear the poor quality Zodiacs are North American models that I believe are made in South Carolina. The problem is not only the cheap hardware used but the method of attachment. The seat that failed is only held down by six sheet metal screws going into a relatively light fiberglass panel. There are no through bolts or backing plate. The same method of attachment is used through out the boat. For example, the windshield keeps loosening up. There are also electrical problems. The wiring harness was made for a boat with a different light setup. Zodiac solved this problem with breakaway connections in wet places.
All these things can be fixed and repaired to make a durable boat. I however was looking for, and paid a steep price for, a turn key boat for daily transport to an island house. The products Zodiac puts out from their US factory doesn't meet this basic mark.
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To be clear the poor quality Zodiacs are North American models that I believe are made in South Carolina. The problem is not only the cheap hardware used but the method of attachment. The seat that failed is only held down by six sheet metal screws going into a relatively light fiberglass panel. There are no through bolts or backing plate. The same method of attachment is used through out the boat. For example, the windshield keeps loosening up. There are also electrical problems. The wiring harness was made for a boat with a different light setup. Zodiac solved this problem with breakaway connections in wet places.
All these things can be fixed and repaired to make a durable boat. I however was looking for, and paid a steep price for, a turn key boat for daily transport to an island house. The products Zodiac puts out from their US factory doesn't meet this basic mark.
It doesn't look like the screws gave way? I tend to prefer thru-bolting myself as well, but from a manufacturing and engineering perspective, it is not always required.

I know Zodiac's wiring harnesses, I've got a lot of firsthand experience with the Pro Opens over the years (They're still one of my favorite RIBs on the market)... For their SC origin boats, I know they're using 100% ABYC approved wiring, so it should be all color-coded, tinned wiring, heat-shrinked, and the IP-rated Deustch connectors? I know they use bullet connectors for the bow light (to make the tube removable), but that's the only spot I know of a breakaway connection off-hand.
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