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Old 02 June 2015, 09:42   #11
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I didn't know the maintenance on the diesel was higher. I have a diesel truck which has been limited maintenance, but it's not in a marine environment.

My primary use will be bopping around the bay, but mostly ocean travel to The Channel Islands. I will be sleeping on the boat. One reason I am looking at the Mil specs type of boat is if I get stuck over at an island in a small craft advisory, but need to get home at that time to get back to work. I have done that in my 4M before, and it wasn't sexy.

I am sure I will be happy with whichever I finally purchase.

For me, it comes down to money, time, mechanical ability(and space to work on boat), and availability.

If I had unlimited funds, I would by brand new with a single 4 stroke OB, or buy a used turn key from someone.
Next option would be to buy a semi project that might have a spent motor, or need new tubes, and pay someone to replace the motor. I could probably manage to mount a set of tubes.
Third option, which appears to be the most realistic, is buy one in working condition that might be a little rough around the edges.

I am considering making an offer on a boat I looked at last weekend, but we are pretty far off the $ amount. It is a broker, so I am not too worried about offending with a lower offer.

Thanks for everyone's input.
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As a matter of interest what is the average price in the US for a 7-750 rib with a diesel stern drive
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On the west coast of the U.S., for 7M Willard, Northport, and Zodiac Mil specs, I have over the last year seen them from 5k-50k.
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On the west coast of the U.S., for 7M Willard, Northport, and Zodiac Mil specs, I have over the last year seen them from 5k-50k.
In the used market.

New, they are $120k-140k.
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In the used market.

New, they are $120k-140k.
At those prices I am very suprised you guys don't look at UK or European manufactures especially for leisure use as the Jones's act will not permit for commercial. Even with a freight charge you will still get a better deal and a wider choice.
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At those prices I am very suprised you guys don't look at UK or European manufactures especially for leisure use as the Jones's act will not permit for commercial. Even with a freight charge you will still get a better deal and a wider choice.
A couple of people have thought about it. I know of a guy in San Diego that flew to the UK just to look at used ribs. Because he wanted a more leisure type rib (less workboat looking), there were many more options over there. I don't know if he ever bought.

In the used market, the $5,000 to $50,000 boats can range from very rough to almost pristine.

I've thought about getting tubes done over there. Lot's of options. New PU tubes for a 7.3m Willard from the mil-spec manufacturer, Wing, are $14,000 here. The only issue is getting a template to them.

Since there is more competition, I think that prices are more reasonable.

Andre, what's a base model, ~7m mil-spec diesel cost from Parker? (good quality engine/leg, but no extra seating/teak/top/arch/etc)
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I didn't know the maintenance on the diesel was higher.
I don't know how much higher though. I do all of this myself as this engine is pretty straight forward (no electronics)

For my Cummins:
-New impeller, yearly, $65, 30 minutes
-Oil change, yearly (or at 75-100 hours), 14 quarts + filter, $75, 1-1.5 hours
-ATF for the transmission, every two years, $20, 20 minutes
-Gear oil, every two years (Konrad says up to 500 hours w/ synthetic), Royal Purple, per their spec, 7.5 quarts, $82.50, 1-1.5 hours (though I'll never find that price again, I'm working through a 5 gallon bucket bought for $220 shipped to my door)

Those are the basics on the Cummins. they say adjust valves at 1,000 hours Average yearly cost is less than $200. I would bet new twin outboards cost more.
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A couple of people have thought about it. I know of a guy in San Diego that flew to the UK just to look at used ribs. Because he wanted a more leisure type rib (less workboat looking), there were many more options over there. I don't know if he ever bought.

In the used market, the $5,000 to $50,000 boats can range from very rough to almost pristine.

I've thought about getting tubes done over there. Lot's of options. New PU tubes for a 7.3m Willard from the mil-spec manufacturer, Wing, are $14,000 here. The only issue is getting a template to them.

Since there is more competition, I think that prices are more reasonable.

Andre, what's a base model, ~7m mil-spec diesel cost from Parker? (good quality engine/leg, but no extra seating/teak/top/arch/etc)
OK will do it tomorrow cos must put some thought to it.
What you call mil spec is more what we would say commercial specification. Not to high jack a thread perhaps admin could slip this one.
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OK will do it tomorrow cos must put some thought to it.
What you call mil spec is more what we would say commercial specification. Not to high jack a thread perhaps admin could slip this one.
Ok, let's take "Parker" out of this.

If someone from the US wanted to order a commercial spec 7m from Europe, are they looking at saving $20,000/$40,000/$60,00 off the $120k-$140k list price of a Willard 7.3m?

(I've talked to Zip personally, I have a feeling he finds this interesting too)
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No concerns with thread drift here.

Jason, have you ever changed the engine coolant, or the serpentine belt?
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