X-Band or AIS transponder ? - Page 2

jwalker · 18 August 2018, 19:15

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...PS, it's worth the money, just for the name[emoji23]

Hehe.

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Confession time, until a few months ago I didn't. But venturing down to Portugal this summer, a fog horn is a legal requirement (among other things) so I lashed out on the cheapest option I could find to comply. It's bloody brilliant, you wouldn't think that so much noise could come from something so small and cheap.
https://www.force4.co.uk/plastimo-mi...-fog-horn.html

PS, it's worth the money, just for the name[emoji23]

What end do you blow out to make a noise with it?

Last Tango · 18 August 2018, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Xk59D

What end do you blow out to make a noise with it?

It probably doesn't matter so long as you're first to use it.

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 20:04

A little trump..et.

Need a can of beans to signal for going astern

willk · 18 August 2018, 20:18

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I didn't say they were to do anything did I? The point is they had a BIG fancy boat, AIS and radar and didn't see us so do radar reflectors even work?, did they have radar on, collision avoidance setup....that was all I was getting at.

This is the bit that worried me the most - they're allowed to trawl in the fog. They possibly had even seen you. You're supposed to be going slow enough to avoid/spot them - not them you.

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 20:37

By fact you are not reading an MAIB report you can safely assume we were going slow enough to spot/avoid

Anyways, in future if our 8 ball is wrong and we are caught in fog we are armed with AIS to help a little more, can't do any harm to have more info at hand.

But AIS, Radar etc doesn't change you should sail for the conditions, if that means displacement speeds then so be it. Getting home or another port safe is the only thing that matters.

Last Tango · 18 August 2018, 20:37

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This is the bit that worried me the most - they're allowed to trawl in the fog. They possibly had even seen you. You're supposed to be going slow enough to avoid/spot them - not them you.

He wasn't trawling.... he was doing around twelve knots and dragging a couple of hundred meters of rope and something hanging from a buoy behind that. He was displaying neither the nose to nose cones nor the single upright cone for a 150+ mtr extended trawl (rule26)

We were going slow enough to avoid him...and we did.

Had we been stationary he WOULD have ran straight into us. It was 100% the action we took that prevented that.

Pikey Dave · 18 August 2018, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Xk59D

What end do you blow out to make a noise with it?

Oddly enough, you blow through the side.

willk · 18 August 2018, 21:10

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...but the fishing boat was dragging nets.

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He wasn't trawling.....

Ah, I see now. I took "dragging nets" for "trawling"...

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Last Tango

He wasn't trawling.... he was doing around twelve knots and dragging a couple of hundred meters of rope and something hanging from a buoy behind that. He was displaying neither the nose to nose cones nor the single upright cone for a 150+ mtr extended trawl (rule26)

We were going slow enough to avoid him...and we did.

Had we been stationary he WOULD have ran straight into us. It was 100% the action we took that prevented that.

Had it been a slower boat or someone else looking at a phone etc there 100% would have been a collision. I suspect when we went past someone was put on radar watch and subsequently we have both bought AIS now to help. Guaranteed good weather going forward ofcourse now

I wonder if we do show up on radar, I have had a reflector fitted since day boat was built but never seen what it looks like at other end of radar, i can probably test that though next time we are out LT....I'll get my old man onto the case on his old work boats.

Edit, just remembered the police at coulport told me last time they pulled me up there they could see me on radar when I asked, not sure they would ever admit to not seeing ofcourse

Poly · 18 August 2018, 21:55

What sort of reflector do you have Xk59D? It’s “easy” to see something on radar if you can visually see the corresponding thing to match it to and adjust the settings to remove the clutter. Working blind it’s not quite so easy to tune the radar and make sure you spot the weak returns, and mentally recognise them as boats.

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 22:09

I don't know the make without going to see it, the receipt for the boat build lists it as a "3 bollock reflector"

I have no idea how good bad or indifferent it is.

Here is one that looks virtually the same-

Edit, attached my own one now if anyone knows.

Squid Boat · 18 August 2018, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Xk59D

I don't know the make without going to see it, the receipt for the boat build lists it as a "3 bollock reflector"

I have no idea how good bad or indifferent it is.

Here is one that looks virtually the same.

Thants a Tri Lens, I use the same.

Cheers

willk · 18 August 2018, 22:38

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"3 bollock reflector"

Well - they have no excuses if they don't see you coming.

willk · 18 August 2018, 22:42

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Edit, attached my own one now if anyone knows.

It's a medium Tri Lens. Same as mine. Not quite as good as the Dusty Bin Echomax, but a lot neater. They were out of production - maybe you got old stock or maybe they are back in business. I don't see any for sale - good catch.

Xk59D · 18 August 2018, 22:53

The boat is a Nov 2012 build so I assume ribcraft had stock or they were still about back then, It certainly is a neat unit and if it works well enough it is a pity they decided to stop selling them.

I don't know what LT has ordered but I can probably arrange a comparison on an MOD radar equipped boat at some point out of interest...Unless someone in clyde has radar and can oblige

jambo · 18 August 2018, 23:32

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It's a medium Tri Lens. Same as mine. Not quite as good as the Dusty Bin Echomax, but a lot neater. They were out of production - maybe you got old stock or maybe they are back in business. I don't see any for sale - good catch.

Talking about fog and near misses you should relate the story of ‘He who dances with tankers’

willk · 18 August 2018, 23:38

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Talking about fog and near misses you should relate the story of ‘He who dances with tankers’

"Dances with Supertankers"?

Funniest part of that story was there was no fog!

jambo · 19 August 2018, 00:39

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"Dances with Supertankers"?

Funniest part of that story was there was no fog!

No but it was self inflicted near miss. Plus the fact he had both AIS and radar!!

Last Tango · 19 August 2018, 07:08

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.....I have no idea how good bad or indifferent it is....

MAIB commisioned report on various reflectors.................

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ors_report.pdf