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Old 20 January 2006, 11:10   #51
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Perhaps if people like Dirk and Rogue Wave actually were more constructive instead of abusive then newbies and other folks might have a bit more respect for the site and these particular traders or individuals.

I would be happy to buy some tinned wire at a reasonable price especially if I could get it at the prices Dirk indicated or similar.
Sorry you feel that way, but you need to realise that it can be very frustrating to be asked for advice, only to be told that your wrong, especially by an amateur have a go hero! The only good thing about it is that in the end we get to earn loads of money sorting out there balls ups!

I tend to only use tinned in the engine compartment of a hard boat, but everywhere on a rib! You ribbers seem to enjoy being constantly damp.


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Perhaps i should have posted a thread asking where i can get tinned wire at a cheap price.
Probably not a bad idea, though I did tell you a while ago that Aquafax would sort you out!

Out of interest, Aqua's retail price for Blue Sea single core, 16G (8amp ish) "TINNED" is 6.86 per 30 metres, and 14G (17amp ish) is 11.38.

If you can manage to avoid talking down to them, you may get a 20% trade discount!
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Old 20 January 2006, 12:03   #52
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thanks for the nice message and insight, and pricing information from our friends at aqua, much appreciated.

hopefully yourll trust i am not your average "amateur have a go hero" as i have a long technical background and spent many years as an aircraft engineer where things are just slightly more critical/complex than boat components. That comment is not meant to put anyone down but is to share i probably know a little more about some things than i let on.

I would never say that using tinned wire is wrong and i don't believe i did, however i would say that if non tinned wire is used then suitable steps need to be taken to ensure the integrity of the wire is maintained and it remains fit for purpose, and periodic checks made to ensure it is standing up to the elements.

I would also like to point out that most folks on the water are potentially running round with some of the most critical items in their boats running with non tinned wire and they may not be aware of this fact and ensure they check that these cables are suitably protected from the elements.

I appreciate getting advice as i feel you are always learning and sunday i will be picking up some liquid tape amongst other items

when i ordered some bits i mentioned your name and they loaded 50% on the price!!


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Sorry you feel that way, but you need to realise that it can be very frustrating to be asked for advice, only to be told that your wrong, especially by an amateur have a go hero! The only good thing about it is that in the end we get to earn loads of money sorting out there balls ups!

I tend to only use tinned in the engine compartment of a hard boat, but everywhere on a rib! You ribbers seem to enjoy being constantly damp.



Probably not a bad idea, though I did tell you a while ago that Aquafax would sort you out!

Out of interest, Aqua's retail price for Blue Sea single core, 16G (8amp ish) "TINNED" is 6.86 per 30 metres, and 14G (17amp ish) is 11.38.

If you can manage to avoid talking down to them, you may get a 20% trade discount!
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Old 20 January 2006, 12:19   #53
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what year is your scorp?
1998/99 I think - based on conversation with Scorpion no hull number on it unfortunately.
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Old 20 January 2006, 12:39   #54
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i will be picking up some liquid tape
Awful stuff! Liquid neoprene is much better, and cheaper.
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Ok excellent,

we used to use some really great stuff on the aircraft but my stock ran out a few years ago, i will look for some of that as well.
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...I tend to only use tinned in the engine compartment of a hard boat, ......
Does that tell us something, Dirk?
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That comment is not meant to put anyone down but is to share i probably know a little more about some things than i let on.

I for one certainly hope you do.... You coy devil!
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Does that tell us something, Dirk?
yeh, I'm a penny pinching fecker!

If you use a good quality bilge blower or pump, Rule etc, then the wiring is tinned, so I use the same, together with heat shrink terminals ... Engine compartment on hard boats are quite often damp due to condensation, and these two items are pretty crucial to the safe operation of the craft.

All of my cabling forward of the helm is in multi strand copper,for two reasons, it's easier to form tight curves with for neat installation, and I truly believe that very few vessels have been lost at sea due to failure of the stereo system or cabin lighting! IMHO

The occasional ribs that I've worked on have been wired with tinned throughout.
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Hey Jeff, I'm glad to see you using our fine smilie database! (Kennett'll catch on one day)

Hugh jardon, you should have wired ya bote in Nyvin!
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.. and I truly believe that very few vessels have been lost at sea due to failure of the stereo system or cabin lighting! IMHO




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