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Old 20 January 2006, 04:30   #41
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fantastic you are a star, i am going there on sunday morning so will pick up a tin or two


thanks a lot
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Old 20 January 2006, 04:54   #42
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ok time to break some bad news to some people....

I have been biding my time to share this bit of news.....

Lots of folks on here have been giving me advice to use tinned wire and only tinned wire. And it seems that in the views of some folks that to use anything else would be: not advised, silly, stupid, uneconomic, a nob and all the rest...

If i dont use tinned wire my electrics will fail in 6 months and turn into a big green mess etc etc

You will notice i started another thread on here asking how you tell if wire has been tinned or not

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you may be surprised to hear that not all major manufacturers use tinned wire for their components!! or dont appear to at least.

using tinned wires because it is critical to the safety of your boat...that seems to be the line!!

it has been mentioned if i dont use tinned wire on my nav lights may fail, etc

well there are a couple of other components i consider slightly more critical than a nav light

Mercury and Icom do not appear to use tinned wire in all their looms and wiring

if you have an Icom Radio, check out the power leads (fairly critical i would say) and see if they are silver coloured or copper coloured!!!!!

if you have a mercury or mariner, check out your kill cord wiring, safety neutral switch wiring, key switch harness wiring, and other ancilliary wiring bits, i think you will find they are all copper coloured, are just crimped on and not tinned or soldered into place!

It would appear that there could be an answer to this mystery, perhaps they use high tin content wiring or use copper coloured tinned wire!!!! The experts on here believe that tinned wire is usually/always tinned coloured silver coloured.

It would seem that the major manufacturers use wire that may be marine grade but it appears to be copper coloured and could be normal grade wiring!

They seem to rely on providing plastic flexible covers over the connections that are relied upon to keep water out of the joint. Some do ask that you you use self welding tape over the connections (icom)

check out your wiring on your suz or yam or honda!!

so i would like to think that mercury and maybe icom know a bit more about marine conditions, but maybe they dont eh!!!!!
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Old 20 January 2006, 06:31   #43
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I think what people are saying is "Just because the big boys don't bother, why should you follow their bad practice"

Have a trawl round and see how many threads you can find where electrical/electronic kit has stopped working and how many times it is down to bad connections/wiring.

Just make sure that all the bits of Icomm, Mercury and Navman wire that you connect up are properly sealed.
It will save them loads in waranty claims.

To be fair, RIBS put the kit in a far harsher environment than most boats. There are very few nice warm and dry spots on a rib, unless it is in the garage.
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Old 20 January 2006, 06:32   #44
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I have been biding my time to share this bit of news.....
So...following your logic.. because some manufacturers don't do it you shouldn't....? Manufacturing is about keeping costs down to keep selling as cheaply as possible, isn't that so? Do you think they give a damn if you suffer a breakdown outside of the warranty period? Ask Volvo marine engine owner/users about the non-water-proofed electronics and how much that costs them out of warranty. I'm replacing some of the electrics on my Humber (and that includes connections to the kill switch, nav lights and main fuse box) which is less than two years old and has led a sheltered life. Why ? Because a sizeable majority of boat builders/riggers do the job as cheaply as possible.
You asked for advice…whether you choose to follow it is entirely down to you…..

Doh..Mark was typing at the same time as me. ...and whilst we're on the subject of "What manufacturers fit..so it must be right".. How many trailers from the likes of Bramber Etc are there out there fitted with Al-Ko axles..? Does that mean they're suitable for "marine" use?.
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ok time to break some bad news to some people....

I have been biding my time to share this bit of news.....
Top marks for a mature approach to the subject.. ......the only people it is bad news to are those who suffer some sort of electrical miss-hap due to penny pinching by manufacturers/builders/riggers.....
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So...following your logic.. because some manufacturers don't do it you shouldn't....?
No not saying that, just identifying that some manufacturers dont use tinned wire, dont solder on connections and they rely on plastic covers as the barrier from the elements. Also helping some folks understand that while they may have rewired using tinned wire there may be some other weak links in the chain in critical areas
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Top marks for a mature approach to the subject.. ......the only people it is bad news to are those who suffer some sort of electrical miss-hap due to penny pinching by manufacturers/builders/riggers.....
penny pinching and not taking care to use sufficient preventative measures to protect wiring from early failure
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Manufacturing is about keeping costs down to keep selling as cheaply as possible, isn't that so?
I thought manufacturers kept the costs down to maximize their profit.. If your spending £30k+ on a rib, you would have thought everything was gonna be top spec.. Unless you ask for it, (and pay the extra,) I bet they use bog standard stuff..
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I thought manufacturers kept the costs down to maximize their profit.. If your spending £30k+ on a rib, you would have thought everything was gonna be top spec.. Unless you ask for it, (and pay the extra,) I bet they use bog standard stuff..
No tinned wire on my early Scorpion. Well, there wasn't - but there is now
An example of a premium product where the "best practice" was not followed.
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No tinned wire on my early Scorpion. Well, there wasn't - but there is now
An example of a premium product where the "best practice" was not followed.
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