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Old 15 June 2004, 18:54   #21
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Icom and DSC... the M401 is a cracking set IMHO but you can see from all the posts here I don't have to confirm that.
We know we have a whole in the line up at this time.
We need a budget all in one box VHF/DSC.
If it were going to happen from us it would not be here till later this year maybe late/end of this season I would have to guess!


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Hi Jon,

So, can we deduce from the above that there is a compact Icom one box DSC set on the way?

If Icom produced a VHF about the same size, or maybe just a little bit bigger than the 401, I for one would buy one and I think that many others would.
I don't have room on my console for your bigger radios!


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Old 15 June 2004, 19:06   #22
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Hi Jon,

So, can we deduce from the above that there is a compact Icom one box DSC set on the way?

If Icom produced a VHF about the same size, or maybe just a little bit bigger than the 401, I for one would buy one and I think that many others would.
I don't have room on my console for your bigger radios!


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If I was designing it, it would be half way between the size of the M401 and the M503.

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Old 15 June 2004, 19:21   #23
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DSC..... there are to date in the UK less then 4 false alerts per year (thats is From Kim Fisher, head radio type bloke at the MCA)
Jon, methinks you've been spun a bit of a line here.

When I were a lad, less than 4 was 3. Let's face it, we've got to use integers 'cos you can't have a fraction of an alert!

Given that we heard one false alert last weekend, they're only expecting another 2 for the whole of 2004. Sounds suspicious to me.
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This is mainly a question for Jon, but will likely be of interest to all!

Jon, I've been led to believe that an x01 VHF was a non DSC and an x02 was a DSC equipped unit, I see further up this thread you referred to a 503 which I'd never heard of but see on your site. I see your 601 is a DSC unit, so guess this puts paid to the above! Can you explain the model numbers if there is a system?

I'm working in the US at the moment and all the units here are x02 model numbers and all are DSC from the shop. Are there any differences between these radios and UK ones? (Apart from the price!)

What is Icom's position on warranties if I buy an american radio?

I see jon's logged off now, but for everyone's info Icom sell a 302 and 402 in the US with built in DSC, and a 502 with built in class D DSC. Have used a good few different DSC sets and the 502 we have is good and simple, 602 is even better. Icom do make excellent radios.
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Old 16 June 2004, 01:04   #25
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We know we have a whole in the line up at this time. We need a budget all in one box VHF/DSC.
May I ask why ICOM cannot certify the 402 (I think) which has a DSC on it and from what I could see there was no difference in weight, and size to 401. Is just a thought.


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I've fitted the 401 to my last three boats because it does what it says on the tin. I like the big screen and the big buttons which are easy to use with gloves on. The only thing that gets up my nose is that you have to pay extra for a fitting kit if you are going to flush mount the unit rather than use the bracket supplied.


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You can do it without the kit and it works. The unit stays in place and it does not come off on bumps and when jumping on the waves. We did this on all 4 ICOM units of ours without any probs (so far keep finger crossed)

Cut the consol as per drawing supplied, push the unit into the tight opening on the consol, use black sikaflex to seal the unit, get two small SS angle brackets, open one hole on both ends and screw them either side inside the unit and inside the consol and PRESTO!
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and PRESTO!
Thanks Manos, that's exactly what I did. But that's not the point. It would be nice if the proper kit was in the box to start with. (Consider yourself bollocked Mr. Brooks)

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Sorry have been away all day and only just checking the list.

The DSC radio's in the US, other than the M602 are not class D they are class F or SC101.
They do not have a dedicated watch keeping reciver for ch70 (DSC Channel)
They scan ch70 rather than watch it all the time.
The watch keeper is required by ITU rules.
We do not make the rules just have to work to them.

As a rule the mX01 are EU products the MX02 are US.
The M503 came up because we insisted we wanted the dual station verstion of the M501.

If you buy it in the US you will only get 1 year warranty, not 3 like we give also we will not service or repair it, more over it is not legal to have that kit in the UK/EU let alone use it.
5000 fine and confiscation of the radio and its power supply (your boat)

In the US if you are a pleasure boat and you are staying in US waters you can use the lower standard of DSC (class F or SC101) if you are a commercial vessel and or are leaving the US waters then you must fit a Class D DSC.

Every one charges extra for thier flush mount kit you are lucky that with our you could, so I understand, use the bracket supplied although not recomended by us.

"less than 4" was the quote from Mr Fisher, don't shoot the messanger
What is classed as a false alert in your book may not be the same for the MCA.
People are not setting off DSC willy nilly its far to easy to trace them.

Hope I covered all the points

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"less than 4" was the quote from Mr Fisher, don't shoot the messanger
What is classed as a false alert in your book may not be the same for the MCA.
People are not setting off DSC willy nilly its far to easy to trace them.
Consider yourself well and truly not shot!!

Mr Fisher appears to ge giving it "a bit of spin" as it's pretty clear what's a false alert and what's not... if the big red button is pressed when it's not a genuine emergency, then it's a false alarm.
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