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Old 03 October 2013, 12:08   #21
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Answer - Both
Why - Why not?
Defo Both, why because a handheld one you can attach to your lifejacket, so if your on your own and get thrown out you have a means of contacting someone, in addition the connections from many fixed VHF sets may degrade over time and you might find you cant use your fixed set when you need to so a handheld as backup is usefull.

Before anyone says what do you mean fixed sets the connections degrade ? any electrical conncetions if not waterproofed to the utmost degree will fail at some point, my Icom fixed set has and if you look at IComs support online and the frequently asked question bit under fault finding alot of FAQ's are down to poor conncetions especially inline fuses etc.
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Old 03 October 2013, 13:54   #22
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I'd suggest standard Handheld, and save the money towards a PLB. You only desperately need a possition if you are in trouble in which case the PLB will do the trick.

In the UK you can register your boat with a CG66 which lists your MMSI which means when you hit the Red Button the UK CG can see info about your boat. Worth checkin with the Corsicans if they have an equivalent scheme. Makes life easier for the Chopper to know what sort of boat its searching for ;-)
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OK, so both are a good idea. But cant I get a Handheld that also acts as a PLB ? Thereby only needing to have one bit of kit attached to me. I dont want to look like a christmas tree on my boat.

Which unlike a PLB, will allow me to speak to someone ?

Im less bothered about the cost, more bothered about having the right kit at the right time.

Handheld Icoms with GPS, DCS etc seem to be about 200-250 and built in versions 190-220 ish. Whereas a PLB is 200ish.
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If money isn't a huge issue get both....if you ever need one or both in a drama the cost will mean nothing.
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OK, so both are a good idea. But cant I get a Handheld that also acts as a PLB ? Thereby only needing to have one bit of kit attached to me. I dont want to look like a christmas tree on my boat.

Which unlike a PLB, will allow me to speak to someone ?

Im less bothered about the cost, more bothered about having the right kit at the right time.

Handheld Icoms with GPS, DCS etc seem to be about 200-250 and built in versions 190-220 ish. Whereas a PLB is 200ish.

VHF & PLB= different beasts, VHF depends on someone within radio range hearing it & acting upon it. PLB is satellite based & is fully automatic. 2 completely different systems thus double redundancy. If money is an issue, fixed VHF & PLB, shouldn't be a problem to a chap who's just blown his kids inheritance on a boat
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OK, so both are a good idea. But cant I get a Handheld that also acts as a PLB ? Thereby only needing to have one bit of kit attached to me. I dont want to look like a christmas tree on my boat.

Which unlike a PLB, will allow me to speak to someone ?
4 months ago I think there were plenty on here who would have said a PLB was a NICE to have but in most parts of the world a bit of a gimick as you probably were in VHF range of someone else on a RIB.

Then at the start of August MustRIB from on here was singlehandedly crossing from Milford Haven to Ireland to start the Round Ireland Challenge. Weather wasn't crazy (going round Ireland people went through far worse). He was caught off gaurd and chucked out the boat. That rendered his on board VHF useless. His handheld could have got him out of trouble but was damaged during the MOB and lost. That left hime floating in a dry suit, lifejacket inflated, with his RIB a few 100m away but unreachable. This is the kind of thing that kills people. He pressed the magic button on his PLB. No need to talk to other boaters - it beamed his possition of a satellite and within 2-3 hours he had a helicopter above him winching him to safety.

I may be wrong but I think that one incident both made most people on hear think 'it could have been them' just for a second* and then maybe re-evaluate the need for a PLB.

*once they read on and discovered he asked the helicopter crew to put him back on his RIB so he could carry on his journey they all realised that it hadn't happened to them as they aren't quite that crazy!!

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On that basis you want a PLB for the circumstance you are blocked from VHF range.

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Handheld Icoms with GPS, DCS etc seem to be about 200-250 and built in versions 190-220 ish. Whereas a PLB is 200ish.
A plain voice HH would cost about 100-150.
DSC HH would cost 200-250+
Fixed DSC c.150 + c.50 for aerial. Plus GPS but I'd expect you want a plotter on a boat like you just bought.
PLB would cost 200.
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Mmmm, well Ive spent more than I can count so far, so whats a bit more cash eh ?

Wise words about the PLB, so now Im thinking about a fixed VHF with DSC, connected to my Garmin chart plotter and now a PLB and plain handheld without DSC, or sod it, get a handheld with DSC, GPS etc.

Still, its going to be me and my missus 99% of the time on the boat. So either we both fall out, or just one of us. Certainly to begin with we will be within swimming distance of the shore in flat calm Corsican waters - which are a little different to blasting across the channel in the fog.

You only live once and Ive no idea how long ive got left

Blimey, what next on the spend list.

Boat - yup
Trailer - yup
Trackers - yup
Lifejackets - yup
Radios and PLB - to do

Still got to sort a ladder, bimini, shower, cover, watersports toys, VHF course, etc.

I will start a list.
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Mmmm, well Ive spent more than I can count so far, so whats a bit more cash eh ?

Wise words about the PLB, so now Im thinking about a fixed VHF with DSC, connected to my Garmin chart plotter and now a PLB and plain handheld without DSC, or sod it, get a handheld with DSC, GPS etc.

Still, its going to be me and my missus 99% of the time on the boat. So either we both fall out, or just one of us. Certainly to begin with we will be within swimming distance of the shore in flat calm Corsican waters - which are a little different to blasting across the channel in the fog.

You only live once and Ive no idea how long ive got left

Blimey, what next on the spend list.

Boat - yup
Trailer - yup
Trackers - yup
Lifejackets - yup
Radios and PLB - to do

Still got to sort a ladder, bimini, shower, cover, watersports toys, VHF course, etc.

I will start a list.

It's only money We are in a similar situation to you in that it's usually me & the missus on the boat + dog. I used to have the PLB mounted in a holder on the console & the handheld VHF was in the dry/grab bag. After recent events, the PLB now lives in my drysuit pocket & the VHF is clipped to my lifejacket with the clip + carabiner. Spare Kill Cord is clipped to the grab rail under the throttles. AND this morning a shiny new green rescue laser arrived from Scott (SPR) Not bad as I only ordered it yesterday afternoon. I think I've done everything that's "reasonably practicable" Just looking for a pair of new lifejackets now, but they can wait 'til the London Boat Show.
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good to see Royal Mail works.

Make sure / you can access the radio / other equipment with your lifejacket inflated ...

and remember the laser flare can be used to find a MOB or anything with retro reflective tape on it by scanning the water or area.

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good to see Royal Mail works.

Make sure / you can access the radio / other equipment with your lifejacket inflated ...

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Good point, our jackets are due for service/re-arming, I'll put one on & fire it with the bits & bobs on it & see if I can get to everything.
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