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Old 24 August 2004, 12:09   #11
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....My other half wears his handheld round his neck so that if the worst happened and he/we ended up in the water, he can get help without having to try to get back into the boat ............
Been thinking about this and I am concerned because I am not sure how well it would work.

I was told on my radio course that VHF is, in essence, ‘line of sight’ radio (I know that is simplifying it but bear with me) so horizon through 180 degrees to horizon in all directions.

You are most likely to fall out of a boat on a windy / wavy day. At sea level your ear is, say, 350 mm about the surface of the water.

With 1mtr waves you are (most of the time) 500 to 600 mm below the horizon.

How far will a hand held reach in these conditions? Des
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Old 24 August 2004, 12:11   #12
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of next year the coastguard will not monitor channell 16 on their headsets but will instead have it coming through a speaker in the ops room, therefore the chances of them picking up a distress call will be reduced.
They actually announced that as of Sept 2003 they would be going to speaker watch as and when they felt circumstances warranted it, so most coastguard stations are already on speaker watch for a significant proportion of the time. The chances of them not picking up a call are slim, as they record the channel for playback if it didn't come through the speaker clearly
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Old 24 August 2004, 12:27   #13
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Brendan thanks for the input but think that you are a little behind. In 2003 it was not mandatory for shipping to keep a listening watch on channel 16, whereas the coastguard did. In 2005/6 probably more 2006 the coastguard will not keep a listening watch on 16, but will have it through a speaker. What good is a recording of the channel after the event has happened.

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Old 24 August 2004, 13:09   #14
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Brendan thanks for the input but think that you are a little behind. In 2003 it was not mandatory for shipping to keep a listening watch on channel 16, whereas the coastguard did. In 2005/6 probably more 2006 the coastguard will not keep a listening watch on 16, but will have it through a speaker. What good is a recording of the channel after the event has happened.

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I'm not sure which bit you didn't understand, but I found the original coastguard press release, which explains exactly what I posted in more detail. As I said, as of Sept 2003, the coastguard dropped the requirement to keep a dedicated headphone watch, and can put it on speaker - not 2006. The recording is in case no one gets the details when it comes through on speaker. They can replay it instantly.

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-do...=9&year=2003Â*
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Brendan. Please look at the GMDSS leaflet produced by the MCA. Hope this clears up this point http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/gmdss.pdf
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Old 24 August 2004, 16:52   #16
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I dunno if you are buying a handheld or a portable if you do buy a handheld then fit a cigarette lighter socket and ariel to your boat cos the horizon thing that scary des mentioned is correct,
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Old 24 August 2004, 16:58   #17
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I've seen that document before, but it is out of date, or simply misleading, as though they will go to speaker watch entirely in 2005, they are already doing it now. Your post stated: "With regards to DSC as of next year the coastguard will not monitor channell 16 on their headsets but will instead have it coming through a speaker in the ops room, therefore the chances of them picking up a distress call will be reduced"

As the coastguard press release I posted says, they brought that forward, and are now doing speaker monitoring instead of headset monitoring, when ever it suits them, as of Sept 2003.
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Old 24 August 2004, 17:08   #18
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Seems to be a tad of confusion here guys.
Lets see if the resident radio man can help!!!!

2003 was the date for commercial shipping to stop a dedicated ch 16 watch as they all had to have DSC fitted by law.

Last Sept the MCA started a wind down of the dedicated headset watch in its control rooms.
This was down to the man or lady in charge and the amount of radio traffic they have.

Next year all control rooms will change to a loud speaker watch.

Ch16 will never be obsolete it role is just going to change.
No longer a calling channel but for the use for SAR work and co-ordination.

This is from the horses mouth not the press release or website.
Less chance of confusion and interprtation that way.
All info from head radio man at MCA and head man in maritime dept. at Ofcom
(both good mates!)

Place it my job to know all this.

Its scary the amount of SRC (Short Range Cert) instructors who don't know all the right facts yet.
By the way that is not a dig at any one here just from some of the daft questions I get asked by some of them!!

My recomendation is that if your only boating in the UK you would be ok with non DSC.
If you considering going further a field then DSC is a must now.

For a suggestion on what to fit I would always have both.
Belt and braces and all that.
I always carry a hand held with me, sad I guess.

Southampton Boat Show is a good place to find a bargin come and see us too.

Radio's are getting cheaper, hell we have a waterproof hand held for less than £150 and a new DSC set for under £300.
All waterproof with 3 year warranty!!
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Seems to be a tad of confusion here guys.
Jon, no confusion here. Just stating facts, and have hammered these issues out several times with Mike Martin.

On the other hand, while you are here.... I have a IC-M1 Euro V. It took a bit of a knock, and the squelch/volume control got bent. All works fine, but the knurled sqelch knob no longer does anything, which is irritating. If I send it in, how long for a fix, and what sort of estimated cost?

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