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Old 03 September 2012, 02:50   #61
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You could conceivably have an electrical fire inside the console. So I would say that the engine is not the only place a fire can occur.

I would also suggest that it wont take long for an engine fire to spread to a fuel line or hypalon fire as both flash earlier than the GRP.

Though having seen some burnt out RIBs the fibreglass does appear to go up with enthusiasm too!
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Old 03 September 2012, 02:52   #62
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He has given all that up for a life of slippers aboard and spirit lockers.
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He has given all that up for a life of slippers aboard and spirit lockers.
Makes you wonder what illicit activities could have paid for it all

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The battery (soon to be -ies) and radio are fitted to the console, totally isolated if you like, from the fire. They could be used to send a distress message quite easily, certainly enough time to fire a 25W DSC message.
And you reckon the power cables won't have shorted together in your burning engine and pulled the battery voltage too low for the VHF to work!

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Wow - I didn't realise things had got that bad in England since I moved to Orkney... good you have thought these things through though.
You obviously don't realise how many people he's wound up round these parts
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Gotchi,

I like your optimism at being able to fight an engine fire with the equipment you have on board. Does into-the-red have a fuel isolator you can reach without going near the engine and pref without opening any console/hatches? You might be successful, but with no fire detection equipment on a typical outboard, plenty of fuel, the smoke/smell being left behind you I'd guess it will be reasonably well alight before you even notice.

Of course outboard fires are not the only possibility. Fuel spill on deck (a leaking fuel container or burst fuel line) + spark; BBQ's on deck; electrical fire in console or under deck wiring etc are all quite possible. In any of those cases I think its quite possible that you don't want to get to the console to hit the red button; find your electrics are all dead even if remote from the flames; discover that your 25W fixed radio is functioning but the critical ariel is melted in the heat.

Good luck, whichever emergency you encounter having the presence of mind and the time to find the settings to turn the GPS back on and transmit your message. I hope you are still fit and able to do so - because any passengers or crew you had briefed in the magic red button almost certainly won't get anything more complicated right in a panic.
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Besides, if it was on fire then I wouldn't be using the handheld DSC, I would still be on the boat and therefore able to use flares/fixed DSC/AIS not to mention PLB permanently on my lifejacket
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Well I don't even have a working fixed VHF anyway so the HX851 is my only radio

HX851 + PLB is the way forward
Is it any wonder this thread has gone in circles - gotchiguy doesn't seem to know what kit he actually has on board!
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Neither am I, but I also vaguely recall it has a specific name.
The police quote something called "the ways and means act" which is described internally as "if something is right it is right even it it is illegal".

This act is not actually on the Statute books but I understand they use it to arrest people and then charge them with something more appropriate when at the station.

Is that what you are thinking of?
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This act is not actually on the Statute books but I understand they use it to arrest people and then charge them with something more appropriate when at the station.
Thanks for that, but the one I have in mind is the other end of the spectrum. Something about the law cannot force someone into a position where they put themselves in harms way, like the cycle lane that is dangerous to use for example.
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Well this has all got jolly exciting..
Gotchi, a wise man once gave me a bit of advice that's stood the test of time, "Son, when tha's in an 'ole, stop thi diggin'"
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flashpoint of petroleum spirit is below 21 C....although it was all in logical proper units of degrees F when I was heavily involved with the stuff. We all get complacent with petrol and forget the amount of energy stored within it...and I'm as bad or worse that the rest although perhaps I should know better

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Gotchi, a wise man once gave me a bit of advice that's stood the test of time, "Son, when tha's in an 'ole, stop thi diggin'"
probably also advised that this is the time to go out and get a really well paid job..while you still know everything about everything. Before you grow up and realise that actually you don't!

No offence Gotchi, we've all been there
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