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Old 05 August 2013, 13:22   #61
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Will keep my eye out. Would be good fun I bet to
See my post above this one
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Old 05 August 2013, 13:37   #62
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I found VHF course prices varied hugely even though you get exactly same instructor, equipment (real kit and people at other end of radio not just simulators) and location simply by watching prices and being prepared to take a place at last minute or by taking advantage of courses run for an establishment (in my case a local marina).

I got my course for 70 all in including the RYA exam fee simply by joining a marina orientated course the week before - I have no tie with the marina, but 30-40 (cannot remember the course/certificate split) to the instructor was better than an empty seat. A few weeks before, I was looking at same instructor, same location, same course at iirc 70 + certificate on a fully booked course - instructor was kind enough to offer me the marina course at marina price as there was no place for me on public course. And yes, it covered all marine devices that required an Ofcom license and not just VHF/dsc.
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Thanks "kerny" spoken to him in person before but not actually mentioned vhf. Will do next time I'm there or give him a quick call
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I agree, but this could easily be an online based course, not requiring a classroom, equipment or instructor - it would always be accessible later for reference and could be priced far more reasonably with substantially more profit to be made by the companies offering it.

Courses like this need not be 'in person' training, its quite old fashioned.
There are people offering online training (not sure if they culminate in Certificates?). I'm not sure you can really understand how to use a radio properly without using one! Not can you really get a grasp on the challenges of listening and recording information etc unless you hear real people make real transmissions.

You will get training resources including the RYA book. It is unlikely you would get an on-line course for nearly free. The exam is 30 (if attending a course) and 70 for direct entrants. So you still have training cost on top of that.

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On inland waterways, canals etc. is a radio of any use? Does anyone monitor a channel and co-ordinate emergencies like MCA do at sea?
That's the sort of thing you would learn on the course - but sergeant thinks it is unnecessary - but will waste his money on a radio anyway.

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If this course was a reasonable price and could be taken online, I would do it today - but this to me sounds more like a marine tax than a genuinely useful course, particularly if a 12yr old can pass.
There's a lot of 12 yr olds out there who are quite smart. Some would even be smart enough not to declare in public their intention to disregard the law! The course is not particularly challenging but there is usually a know-it-all there who wants to show how smart he, or how wrong the world/system is rather than learn anything which gives everyone else valuable entertainment.

I've made no secret of the fact that I think the course is poor and a chore. I am sure there are some instructors who are better than others. But anyone who thinks 70 for a day's training is outrageous is not in the real world.
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LOL!

It's unlikely that someone in a SIB (1m above the sea level) will need to relay anything to the coastguard for a ship.(10+m above sea level likely with MF comm set.)

Im suprised that they give you a script when you do the course, i'd have thought at the very least, they would have you be able to call out a mayday or pan pan from memory.

oh look, you can get the (not so exclusive) script on google

This Mayday card is for you to download and modify


MIPNANO is good to remember;

M- Mayday
I - Identification
P - Position
N - Nature of problem
A - Assistance reqd
N - Number of POB
O - Other (weather, intentions, LSA carried)
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That's the sort of thing you would learn on the course
Or the slipway, or the local boat shop, or the yacht cub, or the pub.

If you have to pay 70quid to find out what channel the coastguard or local rescue organisation listen on something is very wrong.
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MIPNANO is good to remember;

M- Mayday
I - Identification
P - Position
N - Nature of problem
A - Assistance reqd
N - Number of POB
O - Other (weather, intentions, LSA carried)
Is it... Oh my boat is sinking or on fire... ...what's the silly Mnemonic? Its about as useful as knowing that the causes of unconsciousness spell FISHSHAPED - these things are good for learning to pass exams but realistically not much use when the shit is hitting the fan and you need to deal with it.
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Is it... Oh my boat is sinking or on fire... ...what's the silly Mnemonic? Its about as useful as knowing that the causes of unconsciousness spell FISHSHAPED - these things are good for learning to pass exams but realistically not much use when the shit is hitting the fan and you need to deal with it.

OK, i'll let them know that down at the MCA training centre when im over again in two weeks.

Im sure finding out you think it's 'silly' will make them re-train the entire coastguard and re-design all future training.



Mnemonics are actually a VERY useful tool precisely when shit is hitting the fan, why else are they used extensively in the military and in first aid courses?
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LOL!

It's unlikely that someone in a SIB (1m above the sea level) will need to relay anything to the coastguard for a ship.(10+m above sea level likely with MF comm set.)

Im suprised that they give you a script when you do the course, i'd have thought at the very least, they would have you be able to call out a mayday or pan pan from memory.

oh look, you can get the (not so exclusive) script on google

This Mayday card is for you to download and modify


MIPNANO is good to remember;

M- Mayday
I - Identification
P - Position
N - Nature of problem
A - Assistance reqd
N - Number of POB
O - Other (weather, intentions, LSA carried)
Its amazing what you forget when you are in an emergency.
We have very well trained officers on my ship, who use the VHF and radio every day, yet we still have the card printed out next to the VHF, and GMDSS stations in case of an emergency, so that they can go through step by step what to do.

Pilots on aircraft do the same, and they fly the things every day, and do intensive training every few months, but they still use checklists, and cards to follow in the event of an emergency.

Oh and training is ongoing, constantly, and repetitively, and still in times of high stress things can still be forgotten.

I would rather go through the training a few times, refresher courses and drills, than to read something on a computer once and (foolishly) consider myself an expert.

One of the other parts of our training is to understand human resources, and how people cope (or not, as is usual) in high stress situations, and one of the terms used is "information dump" where after a certain amount of stress and information your brain dumps massive amounts of info to the point that some people cannot recall their own name.
Drills and training are one way to help over come these things.

All I can hope is that others dont need to rely on you remembering all those acronims in an emergency
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LOL!

It's unlikely that someone in a SIB (1m above the sea level) will need to relay anything to the coastguard for a ship.(10+m above sea level likely with MF comm set.)
I think you got the wrong idea, from that other post.

It is very likely that a relay will be necessary if its the sib in trouble, and the ship relaying the message.
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