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Old 13 January 2005, 13:59   #11
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Yes but if for example you have a legitimate private working channel(s) it will cost you your extra licence money per set AND for your dealer to install the channels. If you are installing a private channels to enough set its cost effective to get the software and do it yourself. I know somebody who asked the question of an America dealer and they sent the software plus cables.

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Most have covered the points of why we are not "allowed" to issuse this os the software for any of our kit to anyone other than dealers.


We can not have any Tom Dick or Harry programming radio's as they please.

Private channels are just that, private!

If I had paid ex amounts of pounds for a private frequency I would not want anyone programming radio on to it.

HMGC and RNLI would get the raging hump if the general boatie has their channels in the their VHF's.

We have to see written permission before progrming these.

It is also an offence to to have in your radio channels that you do not have permission for.

Mike Martin will not doubt confirm this in time.

I will be speaking to Icom America and seeing if its is the case that they will supply to end users, as is the case with us they should not.

I could have kept quiet but thats not like me

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Old 13 January 2005, 15:56   #12
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John I understand what you saying and its very true.

Channels used by the emergency services or armed force should be protected.

However standing on the other side of the fence you must realise that this can be quite exasperating. If like my friend did you have paid your money (Its loads!) to have private channel allocated to your orgaisation/company and you are legitimate then there really is no reason why radio companies should not be making the software available to such organisations/companies.

The motor repair industry is slowly dying cause manufacturers are not making diagnostic software, specialist tools etc available to the general non-dealer market. I know that they are out to make money but one should quitely ask is this an unfair way to do it? I'm sure they will say the engines are complicated and need trained staff to repair or diagnose them but they really is a point where a trained monkey can hit the correct buttons to make the mixture a bit leaner! (certainly is the case at my VW garage based on the average age of the mechanics!)

So John, I'm sorry if I've opened a can of worms but there are two sides to every story......at least two!

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PS has everybody thought about their plotter software now???
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Old 13 January 2005, 16:48   #13
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Many of us in the "consumer" and even professional market are suprised at the commercial rates for "reprogramming" electronic equipment, and the financial and political hurdles put in place.

In getting a private channel put on a radio, it is amazing to beleive how such a simple task can cost so much, but i guess by the time youve got the software booted up, the cables out and the radio out of the box and the kettle on it must be getting on time to watch neighbours. at least 15 mins, then put it in the box again, parcel it up and send it back. It does take a bit of time i suppose. and time is money.
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(certainly is the case at my VW garage based on the average age of the mechanics!)
Can't tell the age of our mechanics at the local VW, Audi garage as they are all wearing feckin masks the robbin bstrds!

Don't get me started on bl**dy car mechanics.......4 times now for the same problem!
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Valid point, the motor industry is a pain in the rear. If this global warming kicks in looks like we will all be Ribbing to work. Will that be more reliable?
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Valid point, the motor industry is a pain in the rear. If this global warming kicks in looks like we will all be Ribbing to work. Will that be more reliable?
That'd be sweet! I live about 100 yards from the sea front and with a bit of global warming I could have a beach front property!
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It true. None of the garages ever repair anything anymore. They simply unbolt the faulty item, which is identified by the engine management system, and stick a new one in. No wonder its cost so much for repairs.

Its hardly skilled work and I imagine there are a lot of older mechanics out there who are serious dissapointed with they way things are going.

What I hate most is the way they basically rob the lease companies. I took my car in for a service, new wiper blades, to fix a rattle, and a headlamp bulb.

Picked the car up and the job sheet said everything had been done. Got to the car, no wiper blades, still rattles but they had managed to change the headlamp bulb.

1 day later I`m in Devon and a brake warning light comes on. One AA man later and he tels me there is NO lining left on the brake shoes. That will be the linning they checked as part of the service, the one with a tick in the handbook!!!!!!

Do you have any idea how difficult it is getting VW brake shoes in between xmas and new year in Devon? Now here is the kicker, he needed a specialist tool to get the pads off which fits VW only!

Two days off the road!

Not impressed.
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I understand and take on board all the comments.

I am an end user as well as working for Icom.

Cloning software issuse comes from the powers above us.
We don't make the rule we just have to work to them.

As far as programming costs I can't comment, we have no control over what a dealer charges for this but you are paying for an engineers time.

Peoples time costs, everyone who is in business has to charge for time or go out of business.

All the RYA instructors on here charge.
They is a huge range of prices around for say a Level II course.
Like with this it pays to shop around.

All that aside the main issuse here is we are not allowed to issuse software to anyone other than our dealers.

I am sure there are some Ribnet friendly dealers out there.
As I said before they should only programming channels that you have written permission to use.

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There are two sides to every story (Alan P states three the last being the real truth!)
I aggree with the limited isue of the programming kits as I have seen the mess and trouble it can cause. Do you want people talking over the winch man directing the helicopter in a reascue ??
I have also seen the 15 per channel per radio costs. What miffed me was when the radio came back from dealer for a mic change they had wiped the radio and was trying to charge for putting the channels back on.
The service center does have to pay its employees and yes for some things a strategically shaved monkey could do the job, but you pay for the knowledge for the hard bits - but there is a difference betwaneen resonable rate and a rip off

And don't get me started on VW charged me 200 odd for a new computer to fix a problem that turned out to be a broken wire 3 inches from the computer which I had to fix and wouldn't refund the new computer
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