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Old 22 March 2006, 13:24   #31
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As I mentioned in an earlier post they is a note in all the radio's advising of this.
If not then either someone at my place is for the high jump in the morning or it has come out.
Your right it is not in the handbook hence the note.

Most if not all dealers should be awrea of the feature, we dont try to hide it.

It feature is part of the processor and is not possible to change without a redesign of the radio completely.

I would have to disagree with you idea of who it is sold to.
Looking at the sales of who and where, it is sold for all kinds of uses.
Both lesiure and comercial.

Whilst you clearly understand how to look after a ni-cad battery I can asure you that there is a huge number that don't.

Once again I refer you back to my earlier post re charging prior to setting out.
The unit can be charge in 1.5 hours from mains or 12v.
Surely it makes sence to charge prior to setting out?
This can be done at home, in the car or even on the boat.

With this in mind if you were to sue and it went to court I am sure one of the first questions asked would be "when did you last check and charge your radio?"
If the reply cam well a few day's, a week maybe longer I am again sure that no court in the land would side against the people that make the radio.

With regard to why do we do it and no one else well we only make radio, we dont make it as a side line to making GPS, Plotter, Radar etc.
We have been making radio since the 50's, far longer and IMHO and that of other, better than anyone else.
We do it becuase we felt at the time it was needed.

Maybe its just me but I never set out without checking and charging the radio's.
The one in my grab bag and the own I body wear as Solent suggested.
My mobile is charges as is all kit that runs from battery.

Am sure that after such a short time frame Yachtbits will sort a refund with you if your not 110% and if they qubble ask them to call me and I will secure it for you.

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Old 22 March 2006, 14:26   #32
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Vhf radio's like this are likely to be carried by adventuring people for the sole purpose of distress use . As a kayak I used to be away often for a month and the situation I described could be a very real one to any mariner .

The AA battery model I purchased is probably often purchased as an emergency only radio. The fact that duracell bateries have a long shelf life is another reason for their use .
With no disrespect meant, I would not have bought the radio you did, for the purposes you needed it for! The best option would have been to go for the M1V - more expensive, but that is because of the battery, it retains it's charge, it lasts a long time in use and it can be charged at any time. ICOM have in fact now introduced a model (can't recall the model number at moment) that has a 6watt output which is more than any other H/H on the market. Again, I think a reason for paying a bit more if you are using it as your only means of comms, which judging from your comments re Kayaking it would appear to be.

As to attaching to your buoyancy aid - I have a Zambezi which has an external pocket designed to take a H/H vhf. It works a treat. I use it when jet ski instructing. It is in fact a kayaking BA. You can see the VHF pouch on the picture HERE
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Old 22 March 2006, 14:51   #33
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I guess my note must have fallen out . I will let you know if the notes are in the ones in the shop . other notes are intact though
Yellow note about washing the radio
Lithium Ion battery precautions and warranty card

Plenty in the instructions to contradict the advise about storing the radio without a battery conected stating that water or dust should not get into the battery compartment etc .

Specific power drain figures at different operating powers are quoted but nothing about the special one to save battery life when it used to have a different battery .

Li Ion seperate battery notes also say that battery life is shortened if the battery is left completely discharged .

Iam just so glad I found all this out now while I still have the option of returning the radio before its been used .

I quite fankly don't believe there is a special feature to flatten the battery . Any company building in special features boast about them in their advetising
Literature , this one is a secret.
Oh Just shut the owners manual and on the back cover it says "count on us !"
Icom don't make flares do they
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Old 22 March 2006, 15:28   #34
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I am in complete agreement with Ian on this specific so called "feature" as I too think it should be plastered all over the box with a big red sticker - It caught me out - and its bound to catch others. I keep a torch in my emergency bag also and a backup wrist mounted gps - I expect only to need to check and charge or replace the batteries periodically on all this kit - not to have to take every piece of emergency kit out of the boat every single time I go out.

In fairness though, every other Icom unit I have owned or used has been a superb bit of kit - I came over to the icom stable after some dreadful experiences with some Silva kit and overall have found them to be very reliable.

I have never before had reason to require any customer service from Icom but today John Brooks offered it to me without me even having to ask. This kind of after sales service is worth quite a lot in my opinion and I will continue to recommend Icom to anyone that asks me (just not that particular radio).
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Old 22 March 2006, 15:35   #35
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Whilst I am not trying to defend ICOM in any way if you check out A small warning about Icom M31 It's all been said before. Caveate emptor (sp) me thinks.

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Old 22 March 2006, 15:52   #36
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That was an interesting thread - so is this discharging issue common to all radios with a soft on off switch - how many radios have soft on off switches.

My garmin foretrex gps has a soft on off switch and I've left that for weeks and its been fine when id turned it on.

I guess its down to circuit design and how much drain there is on the battery when in its "sleep" mode - as any device with a soft on off button must remain on to a degree in order to detect the press of the switch.
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Old 22 March 2006, 16:19   #37
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Solent ranger is right I did buy the wrong radio for my pupose .
However I have spent some time making a choice , by asking questions on here about radios that take AA bateries stating my exact purpose , and also reading a magizine article in a very respected publication . And asking the dealer for advise .
After all this research I still managed to get it wrong because nobody knew about the discharge "feature"

So what am I going to do

Same as I always have carry decent flares a back up compass and usual emergency kit and not rely on any electrickery at all exept a torch and strobe .
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Old 22 March 2006, 17:26   #38
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Me Too!

I bought my IC-M31 at the London Boat Show, soon after it came out. At that time, I was "between boats" but thought that it would be a good idea, in case I decided to take my tender out. I never did. It would eventually become a back-up for my new boat.

I have recently paid 86 to upgrade the battery and charger. The immediate benefit is that the radio + battery is considerably lighter than the NiCad battery on its own.

I have no idea whether or not a slip was included with the radio - if it was then it has since been separated, although the manual remains with it.

So there you have it ... I paid a total of more than 200, for a radio that has built-in discharge. Nice one Jon!

... And to think that I have specified the Icom 421 for my Scorpion!

Is there anything I should know about this? Will it flatten my boat battery???

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Old 22 March 2006, 17:52   #39
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on the note of hand held vhf help

i have a icom model ic-m1eurc v i bought some time ago just discovered the on of switch does not work now i have to take the li-on battery pack off

anyone here know where to get fixed rough price for new switch

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Old 22 March 2006, 18:30   #40
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And to think that I have specified the Icom 421 for my Scorpion!

Is there anything I should know about this? Will it flatten my boat battery???
The 421 is a perfectly good little radio. I have it on my boat - Im sure you will be pleased with it.
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