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Old 22 March 2006, 08:22   #21
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I haven't touched my M1EuroV since last September - I just turned it on - still fully charged!! I'll leave it on for a bit to see if it stays that way - or just falls over...

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I may have to get one of those then - problem is I was led to believe that the lithium upgrade for the m31 would give me similar performance - it seems that icom have just chucked a lithium battery in a radio that was not designed for one and therefore cannot take advantage of its properties.

Bloody cheek that they then decided to charge extra for it !!!
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Old 22 March 2006, 08:24   #22
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Its a shame its not ICOM policy to advise you of this before you part with your cash.
Ian - better watch out for your AA batteries they will probably get flattened by this radio also - what a ridiculous feature

All dealers a re made fully aware, we have and alsways do the very vest we can.
Once we have advised the dealers we can do very little to ensure they tell you the user.

The sheet is put into the boxes at the sae time as the warranty card.

The feature is there because a huge number of the population do not know how to and do not look after their ni-cad and Nimh batteries.
They do not understand the problem of "memory effect" and then suffer from short battery life.
It was feltit was a good feature and has had very positive feed back.

IMHO it is good working practice to always charge any kit, you may need to use in an emergency, prior to going to sea.

The M31 is the only radio in the line up that has the battery discharge feature.
The M1V will last a very very long time between charges.
I get calls here with customers who think they have a fault as they have not had to charge for a whole season.

Roy, as you know I don't like unhappy customers.
Please call me here or drop me an e-mail so as I can put this right for you.

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Old 22 March 2006, 08:32   #23
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Roy, as you know I don't like unhappy customers.
Please call me here or drop me an e-mail so as I can put this right for you.
Many thanks John - ICOM UK do indeed have the very best customer service I have come across in electrical items so far...
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Old 22 March 2006, 11:32   #24
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battery discharge feature . Does that mean that my M31 is going to discharge the duracell batteries also when its packed away in my emergency bag surely this feature has been disabled for this model ??
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Old 22 March 2006, 11:39   #25
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battery discharge feature . Does that mean that my M31 is going to discharge the duracell batteries also when its packed away in my emergency bag surely this feature has been disabled for this model ??
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Yes it will.
The feature can not be turned off and there is no design change in the radio at all, its purly a different battery and charger.
As I posted earlier you should remove the battery from the radio.

Mine is in a waterproof bag, battery fully charged, AA case there but batteries out of the case still in their wrapper.

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Old 22 March 2006, 11:47   #26
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yes but battery removed its not a waterproof radio anymore is it .

I have this image now in my head , the shits hit the fan all I have is my emergency bag as I swim for my life so I fumble for my radio and the battery pack , oh and a coin to close the battery case . I don't believe it !

Looks like a trip back to yatchparts for a refund . Just glad I found out now
In america this will probably result in a lawsuit one day .
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yes but battery removed its not a waterproof radio anymore is it .

I have this image now in my head , the shits hit the fan all I have is my emergency bag as I swim for my life so I fumble for my radio and the battery pack , oh and a coin to close the battery case . I don't believe it !
Before you get carried away and all panicky, if you are so concerned then why not get a nice case and then with a carrabiner attach it to your life jacket. I have mine permanently on my life jacket - not hidden away in a grab bag. That way the radio is always to hand and if you go over then the radio goes with you.
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We would never sell anything that could result in a law suit.
The unit is sold in the US as the M32.

If it was felt that this radio was dangerous in any way it would have been withdrawn a long time ago.

If you check and charge you radio prior to going to sea you will have no problem.
Again this I always do.
With the lithium-ion battery this means you can top up the battery at any stage of charge.

With the battery in place the m31 will take about 6 weeks to drain the Lithium-ion battery.
4 weeks for the Ni-cad.
AA cells though not tested I am guessing about 3 months.

Do you top up you mobile phone prior to going away for a few days or before you go out in your boat?
Most people charge them every day

Then why not your VHF?

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Old 22 March 2006, 12:10   #29
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Fair comment in a way but having the radio constantly on my BA is a pain .
I always put an emergency bag in any boat I use and if Iam just out for an hour Iam not going to bother clipping a radio to me etc . Also as much of my time is spent on the beach the constant sand and salt is going to shorten the radio's life .

iam not impressed to say the least , I told the dealer what I wanted the radio for and the exact use , he was really helpful and clearly unaware of this feature that I would have to describe as a Fault .
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Old 22 March 2006, 12:41   #30
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Jon your last post arrived as i was posting mine so didn't read it first .

In reply I would say .

Vhf radio's like this are likely to be carried by adventuring people for the sole purpose of distress use . As a kayaker I used to be away often for a month and the situation I described could be a very real one to any mariner .

The AA battery model I purchased is probably often purchased as an emergency only radio. The fact that duracell bateries have a long shelf life is another reason for their use .

I would ask the folowing
If this discharge feature is so important to Ni Cad battery users why is this the only radio Icom produce with this feature , and why is not a selling point or pointed out in the hanbook . Simply leaving the radio turned on is enough to discharge the battery prior to charging and a note to do this is present on every Ni Cad Product I own and thats a dozen at least

If this is a feature of this radio surely it could easily be disabled in manufacture for the new Li ion battery models and the AA models .

You say that Icom would never sell anything that could cause a Lawsuit but would you like a case Like I describe to be tested in the compensation culture we have today .Icom should at least cover thier ass with a note in the handbook . But maybe that would not be good for sales ??

I purchased this radio after reading a test where it came Joint top radio in Practical Boat Owner they clearly knew nothing of this "feature" iether , considering their very fussy coments about safety use .
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