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Old 14 December 2004, 09:26   #21
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Wot we need is someone in Canada who has nothing to do during the long dark winters who can package up electronics in plain cardboard boxes and post them to the UK.


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Yeah but the time I've added my percentage for handling fee.......
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Old 14 December 2004, 12:25   #22
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everything is the same exept for VHFs ...... But you even can get them to work over here too.
I'm just going to amplify what Jon has already mentioned you can get them to work partially over here.

One of the biggest problems is communication with coast stations, in the UK they use Duplex operation, this means 2 frequencies in 1 channel (example the Marina channel C80 you talk on 157.025MHz the Marina talks back on 161.625MHz) a Euro radio knows this but a US one doesn't as they operate on simplex ie you're both using the same frequency. As Jon will remember, we witnessed a fantastic illustration at a fuel pontoon in the Solent during SIBS. The RIB helmed by a friend called up for some fuel and kept on calling, getting increasingly narked, until the window opened and the man inside shouted so you can't F'ing hear me then, does it help like this? Both were on C80, one however, was using a radio with US channels.

Take the time to visit my signature link and have a look at the Ship Radio Information booklet where you will find the VHF frequency table to see just how much of a problem you could end up with.

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Old 16 December 2004, 06:03   #23
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VHF Channel differences

Well I guess that's why most VHF radios, have the posibility of changing between USA and Europe Channels.

If you go and by a VHF in the US, just make sure that the Radio have the posibility to change between US and International Radio channels, then you should be fine

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Old 16 December 2004, 06:11   #24
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VHF Channel differences

Well I guess that's why most VHF radios, have the posibility of changing between USA and Europe Channels.

If you go and by a VHF in the US, just make sure that the Radio have the posibility to change between US and International Radio channels, then you should be fine

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You will still have bits missing.
Prime example is M1 and M2 (Marina channels) the we use here.
They are only programmed into UK sets.

One EU country uses Ch31a as a marina channel, over here it is the RNLI channel.

These to most boater are important channels.

We (Icom UK) will not work on radio's other than thoe supplied by us in thew UK.
All other Icom agents are the same.
We will not reporgramme US sets for use in the UK.
We feel, as a responsible manufacturer, that we can not encourage people to break the law.

As for saying "you will be fine" you wont, your breaking the law!

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Old 16 December 2004, 19:23   #25
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If you go and by a VHF in the US, just make sure that the Radio have the posibility to change between US and International Radio channels, then you should be fine
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If only life were that simple! The only US manufacturers' radios that are compliant with EU laws are sold here in Europe not in the US apart that is from SOLAS compliant (commercial radios) that would sink most RIBs if you tried to fit them.
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Old 17 December 2004, 07:43   #26
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With regard to import duties, I have just taken delivery of some expensive electronics from the states and no duty was charged. The sender had put content value at $20 - I did not ask them to do this by the way!

Depends if the supplyer is willing to do this. Will still be a gamble but worth the risk in my opinion as the savings are pretty huge. Worst case, if it gets picked up then will still be similar price to UK

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We (Icom UK) will not work on radio's other than thoe supplied by us in thew UK.
All other Icom agents are the same.
We will not reporgramme US sets for use in the UK.
We feel, as a responsible manufacturer, that we can not encourage people to break the law.

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Which law is it that says you (the manufacturer) may not reprogram a US radio to make it legal in Europe?
I would have thought that if I bought a US radio, imported it correctly and paid duty etc. and then did not use it until it's channels were Europe-ised, this would be perfectly legal?
Where would I be breaking the law here?
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Which law is it that says you (the manufacturer) may not reprogram a US radio to make it legal in Europe?
I would have thought that if I bought a US radio, imported it correctly and paid duty etc. and then did not use it until it's channels were Europe-ised, this would be perfectly legal?
Where would I be breaking the law here?
That is not the case I am afraid.
US sets can not be made legal over in any way shape or form.
Most are class SC101 DSC, which is not allowed over here.
We have to have Class D.
The Class DSC sets in the US are not approved for EU use.
Each product has to approved for use in each country.
No US product, certainly from us, has not been put through approval here.
Also no US kit has to be CE marked.

We have different line ups of kit for the US and EU market place.

Hope that helps.
Mike Martin will be able to tell you what laws and rules you would be breaking.

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Old 03 January 2005, 05:01   #29
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What we need is the government to drop tax,duty and all that so as to make UK sellers better matched to the good old US of A. IMHO

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Oh no not that one again! How about the manufacturers and the resellers settling for a little less profit, bit like they do in the US of A.

I get between 25 & 30% Discount on Icom, and as much as 35% off Garmin, and I'm not even buying direct from the manufacturer. All this for shifting what are in effect cardboard boxes.

My wholesaler is also making a substantial profit on each item, and no doubt the manufacturer does as well, So Jon, if you really want to lower the vat on an item, why not reduce the retail price.
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Oh no not that one again! How about the manufacturers and the resellers settling for a little less profit, bit like they do in the US of A.
Now that's a tad unfair!

A few words In defence of ALL European radio manufacturers.

It's true that US dealers have a smaller profit margin per unit but that is only due to the fact that their "overall" profit is immense. This is one of the perks of manufacturing to a national market of well in excess of 16 million pleasure craft and only to national approval standards.

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