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Old 26 April 2007, 21:21   #31
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Considering I have helped my mate run his 8 petrol stations off and on for the last 10 years of course I don't have a clue what I am on about.......

You mention choice and say there aren't likely to be 2 fuel barges - of course you are right BUT when the price of fuel gets that high people WILL go to the bother of filling up from cans filled at supermarket garages etc - after all they are everywhere.

5p premium - oh ok it's hard work with cans - 10p - grumble grumble but still can't be bothered - 20p - that's taking the mick that is - sod them I will carry cans unless I am totally stuck. I certainly wouldn't pay £100 more to fill my boat than I would need to and many people feel the same.

My mate with the Ferrari is loaded - and yet he wouldn't dream of sticking petrol in a motorway services - he searches out the cheapest garage he can find!!!
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Old 27 April 2007, 03:30   #32
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Just to stick my oar in.........I agree with Codders here.

My local marina provides diesel but not petrol. When asked if they were going to in the future, I was told - No, because the underground tanks and all the other infrastucture was going to cost around £60,000!

Therefore a marina operator does not (or if he does he is mad) provide fuel for the convenience of his customers. He must run it as a business.

There is a lot more to it than gross profit. To be sitting on £10k to £20k's worth of stock underground without shifting it, and the cost of the ancilliary hardware being idle is suicidal cash flow. Most successful retailers rely on high turnover, low stockholding and high amounts of credit with their suppliers, keeping that money in the bank earning interest.

By reducing their prices to a reasonable level, turnover would increase massively. Even the guys in small boats who can easily transport fuel in jerrys would use them rather than stink up the car. Larger boats may well go out a bit more if they suddenly had a 20% reduction in their fuel bill.

Lets face it. Marinas charge what they do because they can. Like everything else they do, demand outstrips supply massively in most areas of the country. They see you coming and ask you to bend over.

Maybe they would make even more money if they did the job right.
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Old 27 April 2007, 16:45   #33
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Considering I have helped my mate run his 8 petrol stations off and on for the last 10 years of course I don't have a clue what I am on about.......

You mention choice and say there aren't likely to be 2 fuel barges - of course you are right BUT when the price of fuel gets that high people WILL go to the bother of filling up from cans filled at supermarket garages etc - after all they are everywhere.

5p premium - oh ok it's hard work with cans - 10p - grumble grumble but still can't be bothered - 20p - that's taking the mick that is - sod them I will carry cans unless I am totally stuck. I certainly wouldn't pay £100 more to fill my boat than I would need to and many people feel the same.

My mate with the Ferrari is loaded - and yet he wouldn't dream of sticking petrol in a motorway services - he searches out the cheapest garage he can find!!!
So if you are such an expert - and there is a missed market opportunity -put your money where your mouth is, open a fuel barge reduce your prices to forecourt prices and if you make a profit I'll eat my words. Otherwise I think you have to accept that the people running the facilities (successfully) know their business...
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Old 27 April 2007, 16:54   #34
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Just to stick my oar in.........I agree with Codders here.

My local marina provides diesel but not petrol. When asked if they were going to in the future, I was told - No, because the underground tanks and all the other infrastucture was going to cost around £60,000!

Therefore a marina operator does not (or if he does he is mad) provide fuel for the convenience of his customers. He must run it as a business.

There is a lot more to it than gross profit. To be sitting on £10k to £20k's worth of stock underground without shifting it, and the cost of the ancilliary hardware being idle is suicidal cash flow. Most successful retailers rely on high turnover, low stockholding and high amounts of credit with their suppliers, keeping that money in the bank earning interest.

By reducing their prices to a reasonable level, turnover would increase massively. Even the guys in small boats who can easily transport fuel in jerrys would use them rather than stink up the car. Larger boats may well go out a bit more if they suddenly had a 20% reduction in their fuel bill.

Lets face it. Marinas charge what they do because they can. Like everything else they do, demand outstrips supply massively in most areas of the country. They see you coming and ask you to bend over.

Maybe they would make even more money if they did the job right.
Absolutely - high capital costs are part of the reason that dockside fuel is expensive. No matter how cheap there wont be as big a throughput as a forecourt so that capital cost has to be shared across smaller no of users.

Charging what you do because you can - is business. Why charge less? If I implied he was providing fuel solely for your convenience then I didn't communicate myself very well. Of course he wants to make profit (otherwise he would drop his prices and make less profit). But is that where a marina makes most of its money? I think not. Why does a marina not offer petol - you are right - because of the costs, so if it was easy money as you and CP suggest that doesn't stack up. An influence on types of fuel available will be the number of other marinas in the area - the demand for marina berths and the if the competitors offer petrol etc.
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I don't know what sort of business you are involved with, but I have been in retail for 20 years. It is so difficult to get people out of the dogma of "gross profit is king - the more I charge the more I make". Discounting works. I have seen in the past that by dropping prices by 5% can increase turnover by 100% and give greater profit. I have a local Shell petrol station that used to match my local Tesco. It was heaving all the time. They have now increased prices to Tesco+1p and trade has all but vanished.

My marina would have a monopoly that would stretch over 55 miles in any 3 directions (the 4th is dry land!) and cover 100's and 100's of boats, yet he still won't even contemplate putting petrol in. Is that because he just doesn't want to or does he know that boat owners won't pay a 30p premium for petrol and is unwilling to "fight" for the business?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. One of the reasons people buy Ribs is because of their transportability, so fuel is not a real problem as they can be filled up at Tesco.

Suppose we had better stop hijacking this thread (again).
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Also I have had a look at the instructions on their website and it states that the digital guage must be 500mm away from the VHF is this critical as I am short on space on my console and would have to mount the guage just above the VHF (100mm)?

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strange! in my instructions it does not come said this particular one of distance from the vhf, I have only had problems of remarkable jolts in the reading, resolved with interposing in the tube one containment valve
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Back onto the original topic - had rain a few days ago - Navman playing up yet again - will have to take it out and send it back.
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Back onto the original topic - had rain a few days ago - Navman playing up yet again - will have to take it out and send it back.
Then pour yourself a large Malt and sit back and relax.

When mine failed the dealer put me onto Plastimo who asked me to send it to an Electronics firm in Poole. They had a big fight with Plastimo over warrantee work which took 3 months, but a new one did eventually arrive.

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