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Old 07 November 2005, 12:36   #11
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Thanks for all the info so far, its been very helpful. I've always been a fan of the raymarine range so would probaly opt for their products. But having read the replies i may now take a closer look at others (garmin and Icom).I would want to have a fixed radio/vhf, colour charplotter, depth/fishfinder and compass, no radar.

I guess raymarine and garmin are towards the top end of the market?.
I don't believe there are many better radios than Icom, and they're getting more affordable by the day....

My view is, buy the very best you can afford, as with all marine electronics/machinery. After all, they may help save your life one day...
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Old 07 November 2005, 12:46   #12
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Just read a review of VHF sets - the raymarine won with the Icom 2nd - of course this doesn't count for long term use which is what really matters but I reckon there prob isn't much to chose between them.

To hedge my bets I have also bout an Icom h/h - the M1V so should have the best of both worlds!!!
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Old 07 November 2005, 16:55   #13
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I would at least buy one VHF and a chartplotter.

Then if the budget alows(in order): one big colorchartplotter with depth indication, one portable vhf, a fuel manager and last but not least....a stereo with enough power to keep you singin along at high speeds.
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I don't believe there are many better radios than Icom, and they're getting more affordable by the day....

My view is, buy the very best you can afford, as with all marine electronics/machinery. After all, they may help save your life one day...

i don't think as much of Icoms as you do, but that aside, are you seriously recomending that one buys the very best in order to be assured of reliability in an emergency, I can understand that logic in the case of a regulator for a SCUBA set but I am not so sure for radios

Wouldn't you be better buying two cheaper ( but still high Quality) units than than one of the very best. that way you have redundancy, which I think is safer. (VHF wise)

Also the quality/capacity of your electronics depends on what range you expect to cover You need a lot more faith in your electronics in the Atlantic than you do in the Solent
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Old 08 November 2005, 12:28   #15
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Also the quality/capacity of your electronics depends on what range you expect to cover You need a lot more faith in your electronics in the Atlantic than you do in the Solent
Totally agree

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i don't think as much of Icoms as you do, but that aside, are you seriously recomending that one buys the very best in order to be assured of reliability in an emergency, I can understand that logic in the case of a regulator for a SCUBA set but I am not so sure for radios

Wouldn't you be better buying two cheaper ( but still high Quality) units than than one of the very best. that way you have redundancy, which I think is safer. (VHF wise)

Also the quality/capacity of your electronics depends on what range you expect to cover You need a lot more faith in your electronics in the Atlantic than you do in the Solent
hmmm, take your point, never thought of double redundancy, but I always carry a portable as well anyway. The difference between an Icom and say a Silva portable (both "waterproof") seems to be in battery life. I used to buy cheaper stuff (Silva) and the Icom outperformed it both in power and battery life by a significant margin, so now i buy Icom. I'm not actually saying that if it's cheap it's gonna be crap, or if it's expensive it's gonna be good, but certain brands seem to represent uncompromising performance and they always tend to be expensive. I'm afraid I'm one of those that prefer all my kit to be as best as I can afford, especially safety gear. Another interesting example is the outboard motor performance/reliability syndrome. Most seem to want the power and performance whereas I would gladly sacrifice top speed for reliability and would be prepared to pay more for it.

As for reliability in the Atlantic/vs Solent, I don't believe anyone knowingly asks for a lesser degree of reliability/performance just because it is going to be used inshore. I expect most, like me, want the very best for the least!!

As a matter of interest, for portable use, which model do you prefer over the Icom?
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As for reliability in the Atlantic/vs Solent, I don't believe anyone knowingly asks for a lesser degree of reliability/performance just because it is going to be used inshore. I expect most, like me, want the very best for the least!!
True also!

It's just that it can get a lot more scary & lonely in the Atlantic.

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Good point about radios

We have an ICOM, for me it works and has simple menus. We also have a Sim rad Handheld for the grab bag (with a spare charged battery)
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Ok good reply, it's nice to get in a discussion ( as opposed to if you don't agree with my choice then your a w.....r) so here goes.

Double redundancy? I am not advocating three radios just two A portable and a fixed set would fit within the parameters of my suggestion, but not within the original suggestion made by yourself which I queried.

You indicated that one should buy the very best one can afford. I interpretted that as meaning buy the best model you can afford. Even if you were to buy Icoms then as radios is there any difference in the build quality between a 421 or a 601. do they use inferior Robots to assemble the cheaper machines? Do the transmitters put out more or less power? I suspect not, but I stand to be corrected.

However if you can only buy 1 Radio then make it a fixed DSC and no I am not suggesting Silva products!

Your comments re uncompromising performance make sense and that certainly is the perception that Icom have managed to create.
Can you think of any other companies that have that reputation Raymarine certainly springs to mind

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I'm afraid I'm one of those that prefer all my kit to be as best as I can afford, especially safety gear. Another interesting example is the outboard motor performance/reliability syndrome. Most seem to want the power and performance whereas I would gladly sacrifice top speed for reliability and would be prepared to pay more for it.

As for reliability in the Atlantic/vs Solent, I don't believe anyone knowingly asks for a lesser degree of reliability/performance just because it is going to be used inshore. I expect most, like me, want the very best for the least!!

As a matter of interest, for portable use, which model do you prefer over the Icom?

It was difficult for me to prcis this section of your post so I'll address the points you have raised.

Couldn't agre more with the first sentence but am a little confused by the rest of the paragraph I see you own an Optimax which fits into the first part of your engine statement and not the second! ( Bear in mind nobody loves Opti's more than me) Or are you on your way to a different engine

Let me expand my comments about the Solent/Atlantic. I see you operate a charter boat out of the Western Solent (which would be say from Calshot to das niedles). about 8 nautical miles.

Within that stretch you have at your disposal the rescue services of:

Solent Coastguard
Calshot RNLI Lifeboat
Cowes Inshore Rescue
Venture Rescue ? from Bewley
Yarmouth RNLI Lifeboat
Hamble rescue (if they got there Skates on)
Let me know if I have missed any

On top of that it is densely populated with leisure traffic and is an incredibly busy commercial shipping area. So your radio signal will be picked and relayed by any number of VHF sets if neccasary. Also it is fully covered with mobile phone networks. So you just migt be able to get away with a slightly lesser model of VHF

This area is populated with a large number of commercial Bouyage and a vertable cornucopia of racing marks and plenty of Landmarks. So you don't need the ultimate GPS Chart plotter to get a position fix if you are in the doo doo and trying to be rescued.

Compare this with Peterhead harbour trwo bouys and a big rock Then the North sea all the way to Norway. Now I am looking for the better eKwipment

portable Radios it is true I do own an Icom portable but when it fails it will be replaced with an Entec or Standard Horizon which I think are excellent waterproof VHF's

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