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Old 04 September 2012, 18:18   #51
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5 pages on which 4-stroke 50/60hp engine is best? This is like the tow-car thread!

If you're buying new, then any of the big manufacturers including Yamaha, Honda, Mercury, Mariner are going to be fine for leisure-use. I'll avoid the E-Tec debate which is bubbling just now. Anyone mentioned Tohatsu?

Couple of other things you should factor in:

Rigging: Expect to pay up to 500 for dealer to mount the engine on the transom and install instruments, steering, throttle cables, etc.

Security: With engine theft seemingly rife just now, make sure you fit a half-decent engine lock as a matter of course and know how the boat will be stored. Your insurance company will advise on what precautions they expect you to reasonably undertake - especially on a brand-new engine. Yamaha's Y-Cop is a step in the right direction. Available on engines above 30hp.
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Old 04 September 2012, 18:54   #52
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Old 04 September 2012, 22:07   #53
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As a private owner I've owned the following outboards all without problem.

2 Johnson
3 tohatsu
4 yamaha
4 Suzuki and
A mariner

However for some reason I feel happiest with the Yamaha outboards maybe because I've worked with Yamaha engine development guys when I worked in automotive R and D and also owned a number of very fastYamaha motorbikes . I'm sure their marine side are similarly competent hence my perception although I have no data to back that they are reliable.

However, when my Suzuki df150 was stolen last year I really fancied an etec 150 and got a number of quotes etc. but was put off after performing a number of Internet searces on reliability, rejected warranty claims, time to get fixed etc. as such I got another Suzuki.

My mates had a new etec 90 some years ago which was constantly going wrong. After some time and arguing this was replaced under warranty after lawyers became involved but this engine was no better despite there supposedly having been an engine upgrade for the new engine. Eventually the dealer (after yet more lawyers) replaced it with a Suzuki. These were both very low hours engines. For me boating is meant to be fun and relaxing and I think if I'd bought the etec I would always have had doubts about reliability.
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Merc/Mariner don't seem to be getting much airtime, aren't Mercury the ones who invent and the others follow.

As for warantees, most are not worth anything, go and speak to an approved engineer and find out how easy it is to claim, the smallest thing out of place and it will be void.
sorry I 100% disagree with the warranty statement. Honda are paranoid about their brand and we have never had a problem on the few times we have put in warranty calls even when it is dubious about what caused it. I also know yam are the same.

re Tohatsu. again a good make but they would fall in the Merc/ Mariner/ Suzuki, bracket and not in the same league as the very respected Yam, or Honda with their 6 year / 2 commercial year warranty.
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Maybe I was a bit unfair but never had an experience with Honda.

The most important factor is re sale value as you're probably going to sell it before it get too old and Yamahas hold their price better than any other - on the flip side, as they are more valuable they're also attractive to thieves.

Modern engines are going to perform in a similar way and on leisure craft are not really stretched when it comes to reliability - just look at some of the ancient things they use in Asia, they get little or no maintenance and seem to have throttles that are either full or off but seem to go on forever, we tend not to realise how fussy we are sometimes.



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Many thanks all for your input. I think I've heard enough horror stories to cross the E-Tec off of my list, and sufficient positives to bring Mercury/Mariner into contention.

In summary, I guess this is what you're all telling me.

Yamaha - Very reliable strong residual values but premium price. Y-COP security.
Honda - Very reliable, great warranty/back-up but again pricey.
Suzuki - Seems to be in same bracket as the above, and I already have (limited) positive experience of.
Mercury/Mariner - Certainly worth a look. May not be quite up there in terms of quality/reliability/residuals of Japanese options, but priced accordingly.

Please feel free to add further experiences, but as things stand those are the manufacturers that I'll be concentrating on at the boat show.

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I was in the same situation a couple of years ago.

I choose a Honda, for the following reasons it suited us;

1.the dealer is 100 yds from where I keep the boat
2.lightest 4 stroke I could find at the time
3.once I actually spoke to the dealer and negotiated a bit best total price to supply and fit bar an ETEC which I had ruled out.

In hindsight the most important thing for me is the access to the dealer - I ring John up and his lad pops up with the fork lift, tows it down the lane, services and puts it back again - sorted.

I can't emphasis how much easier this makes my life as I'm not lucky enough to be there permanently!
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Spoilsport - that could have run for a bit.
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Hmmm! Now I have a real conundrum. Have been offered a brand new Etec 60 at a VERY attractive price - over 1200 cheaper than the Suzi DF60.

1200 buys a lot of time on the water.

Do I chance it?
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Hmmm! Now I have a real conundrum. Have been offered a brand new Etec 60 at a VERY attractive price - over 1200 cheaper than the Suzi DF60.

1200 buys a lot of time on the water.

Do I chance it?
Nope- there will always be a reason its cheaper ....

Its the boat show next week - I'd get down there , show the Honda & Yam guys you are 100% serious - show them the Etec quote ( if its in writing - if not get it ) and job done ?
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