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Old 28 February 2003, 12:43   #111
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Old 28 February 2003, 14:33   #112
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John, never mind the width or parking brake, how about the maximum towing weight! the limit for a landy is 3500 kgs, now how much does that boat of yours weigh ? (and the weight of the trailer counts too).

Assuming the photo is the right way round the landy is a UK spec one since the reversing light is on the pasenger side. LHD / overseas landy's have the light on the other side.

The prosecution will press the maximum penalty, a blast round the bay for each member of Ribnet during the Plymouth meet.

Of course you have the right to appeal to the jury, made up of your fellow peers on Ribnet, however the judge is fitting his black cap so its not looking good.

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pete7,
Yes, weight is an issue too, the boat is roughly 3 and a bit tons, trailer was ally I beam american job but must still weigh in at 3/4 ton, so big slap on the wrist I think, especialy when you add the handbrake thing and the width! but what can you do, the landy's capacity is I think, as high as you can get on a regular road (plg) vehicle.
In the states they pull 47'apache's and the like around on normal trailers (like the one in the photo but longer and more wheels), behind pick-ups and SUV's the british fuzz would have kittens!
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Old 28 February 2003, 15:07   #114
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JF your ok with a long wheelbase Landi

You can pull 4ton with a long wheelbase Landi on the rd legal including trailer with mecanical brakes max weight but not a shorti.

With tractor you can pull 8.25 for the complete rig inc tractor on a normal licence Trailer needs Hydroulic brakes if combined weight is over 4 ton.

Never use red and if tractor is used on the rd and if over 8.25 ton for the lot then its HGv with Trailer endorsement on your liscence to be legal and speciel vehicle tax and insurance and Hydroulic brakes not mecanical as they are only good for 4 ton max trailer and boat.

This ins and tax is used for any none Agri use of a tractor 40 if towing less than 3/4 mile normal car tax if more + speciel vehicle insurance.You can get away with more beam with this unit if needed up to aprox 2.9 mtrs and overall length of aprox 18 mtrs for whole unit inc tractor.

Its a bit of a ball ache as the one thing drivers hate more than a tractor,is a man who is pulling his boat and a tractor.

We weigh 3.5 ton so the question is can we get a strong trailer that doesnt weigh more than 500kg for towing?that will last?

Or a lounching trolley that will be sited at the boats base and if needs to be shifted then it can be lounched and recovered with this leagally but not towed on rd.

I am going to sell the Tractor as I dont think its feasable.With all the extra costs of being legal.I will then get a louncher built and bite the bullit when it needs shipping down south for a swoiree on the back of a waggon or motor down over the weekend.

Thats my take on it after buying a Tractor and a RNLI louncher Trolley.

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CH,
Not sure if you'd get a trailer for that weight which weighed 500k's, the Yank ally I beam trailers are lovely and simple, tow beautifully, don't seem to rot, and I would think they're as light as you'd get for a given load rating. They can be picked up over here for 1000/1500 s/hand(for a 30 footer) and very often have hydraulic brakes, which is all great but they're illegal!(too wide and have no parking brake, it's more difficult to engineer a h/brake with hydraulics, so they don't bother, and you'll need a 2" or 2-5/8" ball instead of 50mm, I've seen people with a big yank trailer on a 50mm ball find out the hard way!
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Yep JF I dont know what the answer is at this point in time.Im 1/2 miles from the slip but the security is Naff so I need to tow across a main rd.

I have to say Im stuck on this one,and I dont want to leave the drives in the water all the time. So Its a realy difficult one?

I will have to think it over

I may have to insure the tractor as a specilist vehicle and tax it to comply.but the problem will then be 8.25 ton as the Tractor weight is 4 ton withought the boat and trailer so Im cutting it real fine and having to put Hydroulics on the trailer and a spool valve on the brake peddle.?
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Maybe sometime soon the plastic fantastic will be available for the 300D, that has to be the answer
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yes ,maybe but its still going to be wet in the drive 24hrs a day even with Tuperware.

Its a problem for us all with big boats,I think I will investigate the specilist vehicle option a bit more and see what comes up?

Maybe its possible to tow 4+ ton withought the need of Hydrolic brakes?

if the Tractor is rated for the weight as ours is.In farm use it can pull 22 ton withought brakes as its 4 wheel drive and is 135 hp.I will try and find out as 4+ ton isnt a lot.

You can get away with a Long wheelbase Landi with a rollercoaster 10 and you will be legal,Im 250kg to heavy as the trailer is going to weigh 750 kg min.

Its a difficult one?
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Don't wanna put a spanner in the works chaps, but I am pretty sure that towing limit for LWB Landy is still only 3500kg. Which is the max I think for any road car.

So its probably low loaders and specialist haulage for you big boat boyz! Mike Deacon got Hot Lemon 4 trucked up to Scotland on a specially designed cradle on a caravan transporter. (The big lowl lowloader jobbies). Dont imagine its particularly cheap!

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