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Old 31 January 2012, 07:20   #11
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Happy to be wrong about this - apologies in advance if appropriate
Happily I am wrong about this

Some timely PM assured me that direct sale of 2 strokes to the UK from the CI is all above board. This is great news and I am delighted to stand corrected. I'm surprised that there isn't more use made of this loophole, given that fresh 2 strokes are so widely sought on here.
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Old 31 January 2012, 10:26   #12
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You and me both then Good news for raycey fishermen, too

More good reason to avoid the EU
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Old 31 January 2012, 12:00   #13
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Can someone post the actual landed price to England please?
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Old 31 January 2012, 13:38   #14
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Can someone post the actual landed price to England please?
From Mainbrayce earlier today...£1450+VAT+£50 shipping

I'd recommend contacting them if you're interested
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Old 01 February 2012, 03:26   #15
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They will give you a very good discount on that price if you contact them.
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Old 01 February 2012, 19:07   #16
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Some timely PM assured me that direct sale of 2 strokes to the UK from the CI is all above board.
mmm... interesting interpretation of the RCD that your PM'er has arrived at. "Old tech" 2 strokes don't comply with the RCD emmission regulations and therefore cannot be "placed on the market" in the UK (or elsewhere in the EU). The UK law is clear that "placed on the market" includes "placed into service".

So I think it is clear someone is technically breaking the law by importing an old tech 2 stroke from the Channel Islands for leisure use. The question might be who? Is it a vendor in the CI's or a buyer in the UK.

It could certainly be argued that anyone advertising in the UK, or quoting including delivery to the UK is offering the product on to the UK market, and is the wrong side of the line. If you go to the CI's and buy the goods in person and physically import them yourself then its probably not the vendors concern.

Now whilst technically it is almost certainly illegal (just as others may have illegally imported engines from the USA) - in reality you are very unlikely to get caught because enforcement is the responsibility of trading standard (who are generally clueless on boats and engines) and who have no presence or resources to inspect goods arriving in the UK. Customs won't be interested so long as you are paying the VAT/duty.
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This is great news and I am delighted to stand corrected. I'm surprised that there isn't more use made of this loophole, given that fresh 2 strokes are so widely sought on here.
I agree it is potentially good news because 2 strokes are actually much better in some applications - and as you said in your earlier post typically used very little. However there may be some downsides:

- no manufacturer is going to support warranty on an illegally imported engine; so at best you are looking at return to CI's for faults.
- an insurance claim (e.g. for theft) could get tricky if their loss adjuster spots an excuse to get off the hook.
- there is a risk, albeit tiny, that someone at trading standards suddenly shows some interest and you get in some bother.
- recent threads have highlighted that enforcing contracts beyond UK borders is not trivial and so if something goes wrong it is quite a risk. Credit card might help protect you, but I bet they would try and wriggle off the hook if they thought you were knowingly trying to illegally import goods.
- whilst there would definitely be a resale market for a non-compliant 2 stroke, wise buyers may be suspicious (questioning age claims, or assuming commercial use etc) and so the resale may not be as big as it could be...
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mmm... interesting interpretation of the RCD that your PM'er has arrived at...

So I think it is clear someone is technically breaking the law by importing an old tech 2 stroke from the Channel Islands for leisure use.
Polwart, I have been assured (by a Channel Island vendor who read my post) that everything is completely legal and above board! I've even had a quote from them for an engine - am I now implicated in International Trade lawbreaking?

- looking over my shoulder all day
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Old 02 February 2012, 07:47   #18
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... am I now implicated in International Trade lawbreaking?

- looking over my shoulder all day
nothing new there then !
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Have studied this on a few occasions on a general level. Practical implementation of the law and the law it selves might be two different things(this wary a lot pending on location), but if looking strictly on the law/regulation i think it goes like this:

- There is no exception(other than mentioned work, racing...) for the import of old style 2 strokes to EU past 2006. One thing that might be an exception is if the Outboard is originally imported to EU, and later on been sold outside EU. Then it can enter again legally to the best of my knowledge.
- Whose responsibility? That is the "importer" of the goods to EU. In most cases that is considered to be the buyer, even if the seller would have arranged the delivery. If the seller confirms he will act as the importer, then the buyer has less risk.

How much its worth worrying about is another story and again pends on various issues....
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