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Old 15 September 2013, 06:47   #1
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Tohatsu 2 strokes

While searching for a new or good second hand outboard for my Searider 5.4, I have learnt a lot! Or at least think I have.
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Cheapest new 90 HP seems to be the Mariner Optimax at just over 6k with the Merc being about 200 dearer. Both are heavy lumps at 170kg, the Opti 75's are the same weight.
The Suzuki DF90 @ 155kg seems the best power to weight four stroke around but at around 7200 is just over priced which is a shame as it would be my first 4stroke choice. The Honda and Yamaha both tip the scales at around @ 165k but both are too expensive to finance.
Evinrude E-tec @ 6250 and 145kg with great pulling power is my next favourite but they have to be fitted by a dealer @ 500 so still over my already stretched budget.

Tohatsu 90 @ 153kg is interesting but the only quote I have had is over 7k so would rather go fo a Suzuki DF90.

Cheapest new option I can find is a Selva 80 Tiger Shark 120kg which is a special order but should tip the scales a grand cheaper than an Opti 90. Might have a holiday in Italy and bring one back....

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Ok best condition Yamaha 90 I could find was a 2005 model @ 3650
There are a few overpriced 4 strokes around but they vary wildly in condition and price, and venders tell lies! 2600 - 3000+ is around what I am willing to pay for a used engine otherwise I'll finance the balance and buy new! One 4 stroke offered privately recently was over 3k and althoughtheydidnthave a clue on hours run estimated it was low hours. Turned out that the previous owner was commercial and sold it to the vender for just over 2k with nearly 3,000 on it! Buy beware! Others have been built from bits with dubious origins...

Seems also that most 4 Strokes do not allow a diagnostic download to confirm history ( please correct me on this?), efi mercs/mariners only record injector times and can be changed. At least the Evinrude E-tecs give you an accurate download, so with that and the power to weight superiority has persuaded me to look at them as hot favourite!

A late comer to my 2nd hand list are the Tohatsu M90-120HP which at 136-164kg have great promise. Didn't realise that they are the second biggest outboard company in the world. Making Merc engines up to 35hp as well as some of the smaller Evinrudes.
Has anybody got any solid facts on Tohatsu models?

So I'm now set to look at 5 used engines net week, as soon as the doc clears me for driving again (pain pills are getting stronger....)

Might end up buying two engines, trying them both and selling one off at the begining of next season.
Also if I fit a 120 Tohatsu (badged as a 90) to my SR5.4 and keep it to a max of 44mph will it be as awesome as a Yam 90?
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Old 15 September 2013, 07:05   #2
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Go and have a chat with Paul at Outboard and Marine in Liverpool, located just behind the marina, next to the boatyard. Smashing fella, very highly regarded and with a 'proper' workshop, absolutely no airs and graces and a Tohatsu dealer.

He's ex RN so very familiar with Sea Riders too....although not likely to have seen anything as polished as your fine vessel!
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Old 15 September 2013, 07:13   #3
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Go and have a chat with Paul at Outboard and Marine in Liverpool, located just behind the marina, next to the boatyard. Smashing fella, very highly regarded and with a 'proper' workshop, absolutely no airs and graces and a Tohatsu dealer.

He's ex RN so very familiar with Sea Riders too....although not likely to have seen anything as polished as your fine vessel!
Cheers for the tip, will pop across and have a look at him.
I intend on stripping mine down over the winter as some bits are hard to polish in the corners especially if I get one of these motors next week, hmmm E-tec 90 or Tohatsu 120.... Maybe both?
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you know me col' id go for the tohatsu, but whatever you get make sure you push the fuel line on properly!
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you know me col' id go for the tohatsu, but whatever you get make sure you push the fuel line on properly!
Ah you was rushing me on the day..... But you have reminded me to buy a new connector, best go over to eBay for a bit!
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So has anybody got a decent size Tohatsu?
90, 120 or 140hp are they any good?
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Great reliable engine

We had a 2000 Tohatsu 70 2 stroke for nine years, brilliant engine, 3 cylinder, fantastic on the power band, really miss the 3 cyl burble noise and simplicity.

The new Tldi Tohatsu 2 strokes are great too, nice low weight, two stroke power delivery with four stroke fuel economy.

We ran ours for 9 years on a humber 5m and it never missed a beat, always started first time even after twelve months lay over and it did 35 knots.

Dealers are great, parts and pricing sensible.

Would thoroughly recommend.
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We had a 2000 Tohatsu 70 2 stroke - on a 5m - 35 knots
Dealers are great, parts and pricing sensible.

Would thoroughly recommend.
That sounds great, what dealers did you use for parts and servicing?
Haven't seen any 2nd hand injected models for sale but seem to be equivalent to E-tecs.....?
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Here a 90 Tohatsu at a decent price 6.2K ?

Tohatsu Outboard Engine for sale , New tohatsu 90hp TLDI outboard engine special offe - Boats And Outboards

Guess the Opti has the most raw power of the 90 hp engines but is also heavier.
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That sounds great, what dealers did you use for parts and servicing?
Haven't seen any 2nd hand injected models for sale but seem to be equivalent to E-tecs.....?
I used to service the engine myself, very straightforward and simple, fair weather marine are a Tohatsu dealer and i found them very helpful.

Only ever needed simple parts, Tohatsu uk are also very nice people and helpful.
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