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Old 07 November 2005, 18:26   #21
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I think that most people on this forum do not actually do enough hours over the life of their outboard engine to recover the additional cost (at purchase and on going maintenance costs) of buying a four stroke over a two stroke.

Commercially there is not much point in it either as petrol in a 2 or 4 stroke is minus the duty so the advantages are even less.

The residual values are not wildly different either.

As far as economy goes there is nothing it now. I've seen a 135hp Optimax vs an EFI 135hp four stroke vs a 135hp traditional 2 stroke on the identical boats on the same day. Only the traditional 135 2 stroke had a measurable difference in the amount of fuel used.

Don't kid your self that there is a major difference any more!
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So why are so many guys still still hell bent on having four strokes?
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I would love to see some figures on residual values
I spoke to a dealer who sells both 2 and 4 strokes and it seams that the 2 strokes are worked harder than 4 (in 90% of cases) due to the boy racer image instant throttle response etc. thats not my view.
I wont give names with out permission but thats what he said.
I do agree that most Rib owners wont do the hours but i do.
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So why are so many guys still still hell bent on having four strokes?
Cause the marketing for some manufacturers is very biased (they only sell 4 strokes!)

You cannot blame them really!

Most engine retailers will tell you for the average pleasure boat its just not worth the extra outlay to have a four stroke if you catch them drunk and in an honest mood!
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Cause the marketing for some manufacturers is very biased (they only sell 4 strokes!)

You cannot blame them really!

Most engine retailers will tell you for the average pleasure boat its just not worth the extra outlay to have a four stroke if you catch them drunk and in an honest mood!
So are four stoke owners mugs?
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So are four stoke owners mugs?
I would not go as far as that but;

its the Mr Average Boater that are failing for either not getting all their facts straight before buying or not getting the correct advice from the retailer.

Four strokes have one main advantage - they don't coke up when used for trolling speeds. But most recreational boat users don't want that characteristic. If anybody knows of another reason that is clearly not do-able by a modern 2 stroke let me know.

Four strokes when they were introduced by Honda (who only make 4 strokes now) they were billed as the future and a long period has now passed since that was the case, but the public perception has remained. HDPI 2 strokes engines have re-invented themselves and are billing themselves as the way forward but if you make 4 strokes as well your not going to say that they are pants are you? You'll potentially do yourself out of buisness. The public perception is also developing and there will eventually be a reversal.

Well thats my opinion anyway!

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The man i spoke to was a yamaha dealer
I believe they sell 2 and 4 strokes, When i asked him what he would have on his own boat he said long term a 225 four stroke Yam.as the new 250 where not yet proven
Thats good enough for me.
Last Christmas we where away on holiday the hotel had two ski boats with 140 Suzuki four strokes they had changed from two strokes due to the deal the leasing company gave them it seams that after 3 years or 3000 hours the resale was so much higher to the leasing company overall the costs where less to the hotel .
Any way who cares there will allway be lovers of both types and as we spend our own money on what we want i suppose its irellevant, I mean why would a pleasure boat/Rib owner buy a 5.5 mts rib with diesel engine?
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Now there's another whole thread. If the fuel were the same price who'd want a small diesel boat? Very few people.
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[QUOTE=Roy Smith] The man i spoke to was a yamaha dealer
I believe they sell 2 and 4 strokes, When i asked him what he would have on his own boat he said long term a 225 four stroke Yam.as the new 250 where not yet proven
I wouldn't take that as gospel. He would be getting discounts on the older models but have to pay full trade for the latest engines. Business is business.
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It's gotta be said

There is a lot of Happy Ribeye owners out there with four strokes

I gave up arguing the case for hp injection 2 Strokes over 4 cos nobody's gonna shell out on a new engine and say I should have bought a two stroke really!

It really is a question of what you want! Also while we are on the subject of 4 strokes what are the relevant warranties like with Suzi, Yam, Honda and Verado's. What length are they and do they cover commercial use!

On that basis it is difficult to argue against a Honda (apart from power to weight) as it comes with a five year warranty.

With commercial engines does the life expectancy matter much? Can you not depreciate them over a three year period, which covers the Opti / Etec Warranty period

Finally who makes who's engines!
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