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Old 28 April 2016, 16:15   #51
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So if I could keep you off the water for a moment Chipko.... so do you read the requirement as an oil filter at 20hrs, not after the first year but on the second and so on.

Or are you on the SDDave schedule?
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Old 28 April 2016, 17:39   #52
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Suzuki DF20AES - prop size

Fenlander yes, based on your service schedule (not got access to mine at the moment, but assume it's the same) then oil filter changed at first 20hr service then 2nd, 4th, 6th year and so on. Impeller changed at 3rd, 6th, 9th year etc.
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>>>diagnostics tool I had a thought. If it only works on the DF20 when the engine is running, what do you do if your fault prevents it from starting in the first place... what if it is a really fundamental failure that kills it flat. I guess in that case with a service manual and a multimeter you need to go back to old school methods<<<


Yes in the workshop manual there are a huge amount of resistance tests/specs to be carried out static and also many voltage tests/specs at cranking speed. A special meter is needed for these that can measure ign system peak voltage.

In the workshop manual under special tools there are three leads mentioned.... one to direct test the injectors, another which is plugged inline with the ECU connectors to give breakout test points .... and finally one called an ECM power source cable.

Perhaps the latter is to power up and get the diagnostic history??
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OK the penny drops. That cable is clearly essential for static testing and I'm gonna need to get me one of those too - if they allow Joe blogs to buy one.
I think my first step is to get me one of them there manuals. Where did you get it from? I did see one seller on Fleebay but they had everything but the DF 15 & 20


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Found it On t'internet. Loads of USA sellers none this side of the pond. Why are the Americans always better at that kind of thing???


Thinking laterally though - this cable plugs into the diag port then the diag cable plugs into that. As the Diag cable is a third party ebay rip off anyway why not just modify that to be able to inject 12v on the relevant pins. This is obvious when you look at the diagram in the Service booklet. Need a proper manual regardless.


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The manual was just a chance thing... a dealer was selling off pretty well the whole range of manuals on Ebay. Obviously new and unread. I think it was about 13 inc post and is genuine Suzuki.

I had seen others before but they were for the earlier DF20 from around 2005 and you need the DF20A 2012/2013 onwards manual for ours.
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Found a CD version in PDF format for 8.75. Nothing quite like a book to thumb through but at least this'll stay clean!


It said it was for the FEI models so ought to be OK.
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CD's fine if that's all that's available. Sometimes better actually if doing a specific job and the printed out page/s can be thrown away once oily and done with.

I have a garage/workshop specific old laptop which can be made grubby when working and I often get up online procedures from forums while working.
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Not sure what happened there. Didn't think the first post went so re posted and now they're both there with a slight price adjustment :-)


Had quite a few issues with posts not happening and having to re post. Anyone else see that? Got to the point where I copy all post text before submitting in case it happens again.


Yes I too have a garage laptop with car stuff on it too. Just hope what I get isn't a scan of a paper manual put onto cd, but then again anything is better than what I have now.


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My thought is that I'd be so unlikely to lose the stopper as (on mine at least now when almost new) the stopper tends to stay on the shaft which you're going to have tilted right up... whereas with the pin, washer & nut you have no option but to take them off and risk dropping in the water.

I guess you could replicate the stopper with a combination of washers you had with you ready prepared as a get you home solution. I might check that out later.
You could fit your prop bag around whilst changing just in case
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