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Old 04 June 2016, 12:59   #111
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Interesting thanks.

So re the prop you're fine with a 10" & 11" depending on load... but seems a 12" would have been too much.

Servicing... sadly a fairly typical situation where Suzuki say one thing & dealers another. And no good taking a dead engine to those folks as they won't be able to diagnose it.

But it sounds like they did a half reasonable job at a price that wasn't massive like some have been quoted.

I've said elsewhere I reckon one more day out and I'll get mine serviced early. It's only the 20hr but I'll report how it works out.
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Old 04 June 2016, 15:15   #112
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Yes, the short version is that a 12" prop would be too high pitch unless you weigh about 8 stone or your boat is a hard totally flat bottom about 3 metres long. Glad I didn't go there!


And the other thing, yes still a mess in my view. They reduced the estimate by 10 to not use a pair of plugs and an impeller. Could I buy those three components for 10? I don't think so. I just wanted the stamp and to get from there. Shame to feel like that about an "Approved dealership" and it's a great shame Suzuki don't read this forum and take some comments on board.


I should just add that if anyone is thinking of buying a 370 - 380 size rib with a decent performance, you could do a lot worse than the ribeye and the DF 20. Excellent combo. Well pleased apart from the servicing issue.


Happy Boating!!
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Old 05 June 2016, 14:33   #113
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Suzuki DF20AES - prop size

I'm glad you like your Suzuki DF20 motor despite all the whinging re. dealer servicing. If anyone contemplating a Suzuki reads all this negativity on dealer servicing they will probably never go for one of these motors, which would be a shame. Why do you buy a new motor with the incumbent warranty conditions and constantly bang on about service schedules when it's obvious your more comfortable and competent with servicing them yourself.
I've had mine 3 years, carefully run in and always warmed up before opening up, serviced by the book, been faultless thus far, and can honestly say the best 20hp 4 stroke I've had. Lightest 20 out there, equal or better hole shot than a 2 stroke and far more economical....what's not to like...oh yes Suzuki Dealers.
Would love to know if Honda, Yamaha, Merc/Mariner, Tohatsu owners have all this angst.
PS. Glad your getting somewhere with prop pitch. Would seriously recommend getting an hour meter/ tach, there are some good ones out there. Oh yes running the stock 10" prop, able to pull full revs and good hole shot.
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[QUOTE=chipko;718444]Why do you buy a new motor with the incumbent warranty conditions and constantly bang on about service schedules when it's obvious your more comfortable and competent with servicing them yourself.
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Well truth is I don't expect any other manufacturers service agents would be any different. Indeed many service multiple manufacturers goods and I don't think they would treat any one brand differently to any other. The only difference seems to be how flexible the manufacturer is about who actually does the job. Certainly my experience of car dealerships is no different. My far simpler 175 Merc stroker and 75 Mariner stroker were serviced in house. If these DF20 motors had a few years more history I would likely do the same now too.

So why did I buy Suzuki? Well it wasn't the cheapest but it did have the best power to weight ratio available which is invaluable in a portable. If Evinrude had done a 25 Etec I may well have gone there, and they don't need any servicing for 3 years!

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I guess I need a lesson it posting a quote!
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Old 06 June 2016, 03:05   #116
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i suppose it comes down to if you have your book stamped and at the right times then the warranty stands after that DIY for me same with my car a mate does mine hes good not cheap but goes the extra mile i dont trust garages at all through experience,OMO
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Just read all this and it's really great to have such a detailed and long discussion on RIBnet, like the old days!

But............I can't help thinking that you should all just forget the flipping warranty!

Genuinely, how likely is it that a major mechanical catastrophe is going to befall one of these relatively simple engines?! Far more likely some little electrical widget will give up the ghost and Suzuki will say: "Ahh, sorry Sir, not covered, read the small print and goodbye".

Stick the 600 saved in servicing over five years somewhere more productive and enjoy the things!

And honestly, who ever bought a small outboard with a main dealer full service history! Won't make a happath of difference come resale, people will bite your hand off regardless. Just keep it cosmetically clean, exterior waxed, self serviced, well greased and clean under the hood.

From reading all the contributions I'm sure you lot like me would far more trust yourselves to service it properly than some unknown kid at the local (lack of)service centre.

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You talk a lot of sense Max. Other than the cost of an ecu I'm with you. I'll bet they aren't cheap but they're not old enough to have any reliability history. All the electronics on this model were miniaturised for this model so it's all a little Unknown. I can see me going diy by around year 3 though.

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