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Old 17 May 2015, 01:03   #1
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Second Time Out, More Problems

Took the Zodiac out today again after getting the fuel line fixed. I didn't suffer the constant cutting out issue. Though I did find putting the engine in gear shortly after starting caused it to die, after letting it warm up a minute it managed to get going into gear without it dying.

Though, the engine still isn't giving enough WOT power. I get maximum 20mph with just me in the boat, 13mph with 3 people aboard.

The boat will just NOT plane on its own. Even with just me aboard, I had to leave the engine set to wide open, climb up to the bow to push/weigh it down, and then it would plane. It'd really push the bow up quite a lot, but it wouldn't come back down and plane without climbing up front. With multiple people aboard, I could NOT have anyone else sitting on the rear bench seat with me, even though the heavier guy (300lbs) was sitting on the front seat. It can't be *that* temperamental with weight distribution... I had by Bravo manometer BTP12 with me, and ensured everything was at 3.5psi along the way. Trim setting didn't seem to make a difference.


Here is a quick video of the engine operating at WOT. I think you'll all agree with me that it doesn't sound like it's getting anywhere near 6000rpm.




I don't know what else to try, except for going down from a 9 pitch to 7 pitch, maybe even a 4 blade. Maybe get a hydrofoil, though I doubt it'd make a massive difference.
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Old 17 May 2015, 02:42   #2
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You need to get a tacho on the engine to see what rpm your pulling, also looks like the engine is quite low on the transom. Can you take a picture of the back of the boat out of the water with the engine down.

Have you checked the butterfly in the carb is fully opening when you twist the throttle?
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Old 17 May 2015, 03:22   #3
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You have a 90 day warranty from the place you bought it from.
As there seem to be a number of issues with this boat & engine I think you need to talk to them before you start swapping things at random in the hope it might do what you want.
It may be worth getting an inspection done by an authorised Mercury agent to rule out - or find - engine problems.
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Engine sounds ok to me, maybe you need to cut your pie rations & find a lighter mate
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As a further to my post above (I'm past the edit timeout)
It may be worth getting an inspection done by an authorised Mercury agent to rule out - or find - engine problems. They may also be able to advise you whether the boat, engine & prop are a suitable match for what you expect it to do.

You also need to check your loading. If all the weight is towards the back then it may never be able to lift the backend high enough to plane. An extreme example would be a friend of mine who 'cheated' at a regatta event - you run out from a start line at a fixed throttle then at a given signal turn & head back to the start line at the same setting. He had 6 or 7 in the boat with him, all at the stern. Boat was very bow high & wouldn't plane. At the signal they all went towards front & centre & the boat immediately went on the plane. Naturally he was disqualified! (It's only a bit of fun & everyone tries something, so most are disqual )

You may also need to consider that the boat/engine combo is not suitable for what it's carrying or for what you want a boat to do.

A hydroplane MIGHT make a difference - I have a Permatrim on mine - but check all the above first before you spend any more money.
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Old 17 May 2015, 04:38   #6
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Is this the 15hp in your profile? Doesn't sound wildly out to me. Move fuel, anchor etc forward, but trim should be doing something. stupid question - it's not stuck in shallow drive is it?
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Though, the engine still isn't giving enough WOT power. I get maximum 20mph with just me in the boat, 13mph with 3 people aboard.

The boat will just NOT plane on its own. Even with just me aboard, I had to leave the engine set to wide open, climb up to the bow to push/weigh it down, and then it would plane. It'd really push the bow up quite a lot, but it wouldn't come back down and plane without climbing up front. With multiple people aboard, I could NOT have anyone else sitting on the rear bench seat with me, even though the heavier guy (300lbs) was sitting on the front seat. It can't be *that* temperamental with weight distribution..
I've had a look over your videos. I have a 9' inflatable with a 10hp motor.

Don't take this as being anything other than helpful advice, but IMO, you are expecting waaaay too much from your 15hp. From what I can see:

You have far too much weight on board and you have it all at the stern. That's NEVER going to work out. When I say far to much weight, I don't mean a few pounds or a fuel tank, I mean about twice what will work with that boat/engine combo. You need to lose the fat guy* and the extra fuel tank and ALL the other cr@p. I'd get a battery cable extension and move that too. Fit a temporary tiller extension (from sink waste pipe) and sit forward when solo. See what happens - you be surprised what that 15hp can do.

Then sell it, because you need a 20hp and your buddy needs a 25hp.

* 300lbs? Seriously? I'm 6' tall and weigh 175lbs. Your own arm isn't exactly skeletal so I think you need to reassess your engine requirements.
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Hi

Had a 15hp on my boat,7.5 pitch I am close to 20 stone my 2 friends 11 stone a peace and would get on the plane ok.Get another prop and use the other when your alone.The weight must be spread out .
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What they all said - they build 'em bigger over the pond (people that is - 21 stone?! ).

I don't understand the contradiction in your OP too: "Though, the engine still isn't giving enough WOT power. I get maximum 20mph with just me in the boat, 13mph with 3 people aboard.

The boat will just NOT plane on its own..."

I think given the loading (extreme for this size engine) and the fact that just one of the people alone you mention is 21 stone (again ) the performance is surprisingly good.

Small boats and low power engines are incredibly sensitive to loading and distribution, it takes only a slight imbalance to make all the difference. The solution is simple for your set up though - less weight or more power.

And as someone pointed out - it won't help much but maybe a tadge - it looks like you have too much leg in the water. Have a search for Locozodiac's tips on engine height.

Re' the engine cutting out - let it warm up a little longer and look at upping the idle speed a tadge either on the carb or keep the idle knob turned up until you are underway a short while.
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The engine itself is verifiably okay. It's had 3 different Mercury authorized shops inspect it. I took the cowl off, looked inside the carb intake and it opens up fully. The problem probably
lies with the type of prop I'm using, and perhaps how weight is being distributed. My boat has a couple attachment points on the inside of the bow (just like the tow line hooks on the outside), my guess is those are how you secure a bow fuel tank? I didn't see any strap loops on the Moeller bow tank, though.

I can try and get a picture of the engine on the transom, but the shaft length is correct.

He was indeed a heavy guy, a little more than 130lbs more than I and effectively counts as 2 people. Though, he was sitting on the front seat along with my other mate. It was easier to get going with them up front but we were still just chugging along at 13mph (I would think we could maybe do 20mph, or is that unrealistic with, effectively, 4 people aboard?). That's how we were set up during the video I linked prior.

To answer the question as to whether it was in shallow drive mode, it was not. I had it in the lowest trim for the vast majority of the time we were operating. I tried the two slightly higher trim settings, but it didn't help so I just left it back in the lowest trim.

I can try a bow fuel tank, but moving *everything* and everyone up front to the bow to where I myself need a tiller extension is nothing short of ridiculous, and to the point where I'd just sell the boat. Nearly every video I've seen of someone operating an inflatable, they're running a stern fuel tank with all their gear towards the rear, yet they're still getting up on plane quickly and running along much faster (even with just 9.9hp motors).

The only things I can think of that might be wrong, except for the fuel tank moved forward (which I'm skeptical of, because when I was attempting to operate solo, I was on low fuel) is that I'm over-propped and need to go to a 4-blade lower pitch prop, or that my Bravo pump is reading wrong and not getting everything inflated to 3.5psi.
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