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Old 29 November 2007, 05:51   #1
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Remanufactured Volvo engines?

I have been "volunteered" for something and work and wondered if anybody on here could make any suggestions please....

Our company has two launches, one of which is powered by Volvo TAMD63 engines, which are nearing the end of their useful lives. We've tried to get replacement engines from Volvo but they say the engine isn't made any more and nor can they supply rebuild ones. The nearest current alternative (from Volvo) is a completely different engine which not only has completely different fitting requirements (and space is pretty tight in these boats) it also has about 100hp more (which will probably create a whole lot of other problems) and is electronically controlled with common rail injection etc etc which means not only changing the engines but ripping out the whole instrument panel etc - the whole job is looking increasingly impractical and expensive on a boat that is approaching 20 years old but not doing something about it is not an option.

Does anybody know of a third party company that is remanufacturing the TAMD63 engines? I am pretty sure they are used in dump trucks etc, as well as marine engines, so I guess there must be a market for them somewhere. It would have to be a good quality job - changing engines on these boats is a massive PITA and the engines need to last a good time once they are in there - the boats get worked quite hard and often in rough conditions so reliability is paramount. If we could get a good set of fully rebuilt TAMD63's then that would see us for another 5 years or so, so I wondered if anybody could give a recommendation on possible sources for these? Not interested in Ebay one-off second hand ones, it needs to be a proper job preferably with a decent warranty.

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Doesn't Argentina kinda keep old stuff alive.
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Old 29 November 2007, 08:55   #3
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Bah. I saw you had answered it and thought it would be something useful

I would rather fit bloody oars to it than buy an engine from the Argies even if they did have one.

Found a couple of possibilities via Google but meanwhile any suggestions or recommendations would be welcome. Apart from ones involving nearby South American dictatorships erm I mean democracies
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Should be some spare on the Atlantic conveyer..They may be a little rusty tho.
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Surely if you get on the blower to the British Government, they'll send you a couple of new launches.They might chuck in a crate or two of woolly hats.
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Bah. I saw you had answered it and thought it would be something useful
Well thankyou sir. Sorry to disappoint.

Anyway, I know Volvo spares are expensive but a rebore, set of pistons, set of shells, oil pump, skim the head and block faces, reseat and/or replace the valves, seals and gaskets. Fuel pump, injectors and ancillaries as necessary. Since the engines are still working, that's gotta be doable and fairly straightforward, I should think.
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Well thankyou sir. Sorry to disappoint.

Anyway, I know Volvo spares are expensive but a rebore, set of pistons, set of shells, oil pump, skim the head and block faces, reseat and/or replace the valves, seals and gaskets. Fuel pump, injectors and ancillaries as necessary. Since the engines are still working, that's gotta be doable and fairly straightforward, I should think.
Put like that, it sounds just like any other rebuild.

Would it be totally impractical to take them out, ship them to the States or the UK, get them rebuilt and shipped back? At least that way you'd know exactly what you were getting back.
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Put like that, it sounds just like any other rebuild.

Would it be totally impractical to take them out, ship them to the States or the UK, get them rebuilt and shipped back? At least that way you'd know exactly what you were getting back.
Rebuilding the old ones is an option I am actively pursuing. However we really need another engine to make it practical - one of the engines is older than the other (they have been replaced before - the original engines in her were TAMD61's - but the replacement was staggered by about a year) and in somewhat worse health - it runs "OK" but there are clearly problems brewing.

What we might well do if we can only find one other recon engine is to renew the dodgy one, have that rebuilt either here or at a UK dealer, then fit that in place of the other old one once it is ready and do the second old one up as a spare. The trouble is that the turnaround time for removal, sending an engine to UK, having it rebuilt and then sending it back again and refitting it is likely to be about four months all in, and there is no way we can lose the use of the boat for that length of time as the other launch we have is both smaller and older. Also it has to be sat in the middle of the jetty with the top of the cabin off for the engine change (which also involves removing radios, radars, blah blah blah) which is ever so slightly completely in the way of everybody....

The TAMD's are wet liner engines (or at least the 61's were, I think these are the same) which means that we should be able to whack in new liners, pistons, all new bearings, maybe valves etc and that should be good for another 10,000 hours hopefully
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The TAMD's are wet liner engines (or at least the 61's were, I think these are the same) which means that we should be able to whack in new liners, pistons, all new bearings, maybe valves etc and that should be good for another 10,000 hours hopefully
Yeh, just do it locally. Why would you send them to the UK, or anywhere for that matter? Buy all you might need and you can easily rebuild an engine in a few days. I presume there are some local machine shop facilities should you need them. I've got a feeling Volvo do rebuild kits. The other parts to check are the camshaft and followers. The cam pretty well determines the characteristic of the engine.

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Put like that, it sounds just like any other rebuild.
Well it is. They're just old tech cast iron engines.
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Yeh, just do it locally. Why would you send them to the UK, or anywhere for that matter? Buy all you might need and you can easily rebuild an engine in a few days. I presume there are some local machine shop facilities should you need them. I've got a feeling Volvo do rebuild kits. The other parts to check are the camshaft and followers. The cam pretty well determines the characteristic of the engine.

Well it is. They're just old tech cast iron engines.
I would feel safer if the block could be crack tested etc and the job done by somebody who does it all the time - there is a certain amount of expertise here but not a lot in the way of machining - forget getting a cylinder head skimmed for example, not a chance!

They are basic pig-iron injector pump engines which is another reason I really want to replace them with the same, experience with vehicles tells me that modern diesel engines with fancy electronics and common rail injection are mostly a complete liability on dry land never mind in salt water, and I like a quiet life in the office

(No disrespect to Volvo their engines may be fine, it is a general observation...)
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