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Old 19 June 2013, 17:57   #21
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It's tiring reading his dissertations...
Sorry, I've been doing my mind control thing again. I'll stop forcing you to read all Poly's posts...
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:10   #22
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Local station/s are about 8-10 minutes from pager to first comms underway. The RNLI are currently upgrading their all weather fleet to a minimum of 25kts, up from 17/18kts. They always think about improving.
That's exactley my point, they are spending literally millions in making faster all weather boats, not in trying to increase muster times.

Yes, they allways think about improving, but they make gains where there are gains to be made....
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:10   #23
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I get the point your trying to make, and agree that having an auxillary engine is a good idea, but what i've quoted above is just laughable.

Essentially your suggesting lifeboats do 5 knots.

Of course not knowing where you are and being lost is allways a possibility, but an auxillary engine is utterly useless then anyway as you don't know where to go....

I think where you do your boating is the biggest factor here. I'd probobly not bother with one down the solent on a busy day, as I know there would be plenty of people about, up the west coast of scotland however would be a differant story.
Willk's already explained it - but 20 miles from nearest safe haven you are likely in AWB territory.

time 00:00 - you call MCA
Time 00:03 - pagers activated (I think that might actually be optimistic - there is a protocol).
Time 00:12 - AWB crewed and ready for launch. (I think RNLI suggest 10 mins is average)
Time 01:52 - arrive on scene (assuming 30 miles from nearest station if you are 20 miles from nearest harbour) and MAX speed 18 knots.
Time 02:00 - rig tow and begin return
Time 04:00 - arrive at nearest harbour assuming tow speed of 10 knots.

The point is if you are 20 miles from harbour you are a long time waiting for help.
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:12   #24
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To my mind it's like having a spare tyre and leaving it at home because you haven't had a puncture before and you'd rather have the boot space. Each to their own.
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:18   #25
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Willk's already explained it
Yeah, he did, haha, I was just reading others complain about your essays! Im sorry to say I get their point, the succint thing was good!

Your timings for paging are pretty spot on by the way.
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:22   #26
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Is it not a case of you assess your individual risk and make a personal judgement based on the days circumstances.

For me the setup is new, and has worked well, am a fine weather boater so the sea state is normally slight, and normally go out less than 3 miles from harbour with friends in their boat (normally not always) so feel an auxiliary is not required.

In the past have been out in poor conditions and turned around for safety based on personal preference, as the state can change very quickly and if on your own may be asking for trouble.
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:27   #27
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That's exactley my point, they are spending literally millions in making faster all weather boats, not in trying to increase muster times.

Yes, they allways think about improving, but they make gains where there are gains to be made....
Where I most often boat, from calling it in to having a helo overhead is about 60mins...

A 10 minute "pager to underway" muster time is astonishing, considering that those crew are at home or at work when the pager goes off. Think about your own launch times and compare to an ILB team:
0 minutes - you're eating dinner at home
10 minutes - you're doing 34kts in an 85
Hats off to those guys. In ten minutes, the helo is only getting warmed up and the crew live "on station".
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Old 19 June 2013, 18:34   #28
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0 minutes - you're eating dinner at home
10 minutes - you're doing 34kts in an 85
Hang on are you saying Dan will be there in 10 minutes even if he's got food in front of him?
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This one always shits me up.

I am by nature the cautious type and am naturally inclined towards a wing, but there's just no room on my transom (Humber Attaque aka Ocean Pro 5.3 2m beam).

Anyone else got an exciting way around this?
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If you go offshore, the aux is pretty pointless anyway. If you are near where others/lifeboats are you should be fine.

Only advantage to an aux really is to keep you from drifting on to rocks etc in rough weather. I mean you are hardly going to go 20 miles with an aux!
Disagree, as probably the remotest boater here and with NO lifeboat cover in this part of the world, I wouldn't be without mine much outside the harbour but especially offshore. The prevailing wind in this part of the world is usually offshore from our side of the islands, which means if you're lucky you'll hit Africa in about 4000 miles, if you miss that then you might hit Australia but the next confirmed landfall is the west coast of Chile which is about 13000 miles. Give me 20 miles at 4 knots any day
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