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Old 26 October 2008, 10:31   #21
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Picked up this "thread" a little late, but your dealer did good by taking the Head off and tapping out the hole for the Helicoil. Any tapping without the head removed should be avoided at all costs IMHO. It only takes one piece of swarf to get into the cylinder and it's good bye to your piston and cylinder bore. After all, it's only to get stuck into the piston rings or score your cylinder bore to bugger things up.

As for spark plugs, I would go to these people. spark-plugs.co.uk
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Old 26 October 2008, 11:07   #22
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As for spark plugs, I would go to these people. spark-plugs.co.uk
Buying from here would be 79.69 including delivery, but I'd like to be in on the conversation when you tell the engineer your going to supply your own parts!
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Old 26 October 2008, 11:19   #23
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Buying from here would be 79.69 including delivery, but I'd like to be in on the conversation when you tell the engineer your going to supply your own parts!
Of course you'd have to go to the dealer if your engine was in warranty, but if not I would fit them before you went to have then engine serviced and tell the engineer you've just replaced them.
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Old 26 October 2008, 14:13   #24
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surely you can turn up with the plugs & tell them to fit them irrespective of where they came from . Even in warranty as long as they are the right ones you should be oK.

I wonder when the engine companies will have to accept the same thing as car companies in that as long as the engine is serviced according to guidelines & with proper parts the warranty will be valid. It really bugs me that you have to use a 'proper' dealer - thats why my new Yam(50 , 2 years old) & Suzuki ( 2.5 - 1 year old) would no longer be covered ! I can get both done 500 yards from the house instead of 15 miles !
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surely you can turn up with the plugs & tell them to fit them irrespective of where they came from . Even in warranty as long as they are the right ones you should be oK.

I wonder when the engine companies will have to accept the same thing as car companies in that as long as the engine is serviced according to guidelines & with proper parts the warranty will be valid. It really bugs me that you have to use a 'proper' dealer - thats why my new Yam(50 , 2 years old) & Suzuki ( 2.5 - 1 year old) would no longer be covered ! I can get both done 500 yards from the house instead of 15 miles !
I wouldn't mind betting that the engine makers are breaking EU law on this - it needs someone to push it!!!
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surely you can turn up with the plugs & tell them to fit them irrespective of where they came from . Even in warranty as long as they are the right ones you should be oK
Sure you can but if they have any sense they'll add the lost profit in somewhere else.
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Buying from here would be 79.69 including delivery, but I'd like to be in on the conversation when you tell the engineer your going to supply your own parts!
Why is that? Surely the engineer would appreciate the business and being paid for his labour at a fair rate. He also has the option of adding a disclaimer on parts warranty on the receipt. Wats da problemo?
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Why is that? Surely the engineer would appreciate the business and being paid for his labour at a fair rate. He also has the option of adding a disclaimer on parts warranty on the receipt. Wats da problemo?
Because his business model takes account of the fact that he makes profit on the parts as well as the labour. Take away the profit on the parts and he still works the same hours for less money, or he puts up his labour rate to compensate. Or, worse still, he takes a few shortcuts (such as not taking off the cylinder head in this case) so that he gets the job done more quickly.
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I'm not sure that a lot of the smaller places run such a complex business model - I think its probably more like - I'll charge what I can on whatever business comes in . This is based on 4 years of dealimg with hundreds of small business every day. Next you'll be thinking they have some kind of disaster recovery plan/ continuity planning !
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Next you'll be thinking they have some kind of disaster recovery plan/ continuity planning !
They do

Charging that bit more on what work they get
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