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Old 29 March 2004, 13:35   #21
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Daniel, I disagree with you about an aux engine.

If are able to mount it so it can be easily used, serviced at regular intervals and run from time to time, it should be ok.

Thankfully I have never been forced to use an aux engine, but it certainly gives you a piece of mind if you get a problem with your main engine.
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Old 29 March 2004, 14:05   #22
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Is a MUST to have an aux engine even if you motor close to shore.
As tango said is a law in Greece to have one if you go out over 3 miles from the closest shore and I fully agree with that one.
In my opinion it should be a law for ALL EU countries!
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Bit daft to enforce on boats cruising in company!
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Richard are you serious???
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'course I am.

I never take the aux. when there's lots of other company all the way - no point. Better to have a spare boat or two than just a spare engine.
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I agree wiht Richard, why do you need another engine when your cruising in company with another boat?
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Old 29 March 2004, 14:42   #27
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Guys with all due respect you always need to have an aux engine if you respect the lives of the people you have on your boat.

The reasons are many but will mention a small example (this is the worst case scenario I can think of) to illustrate it as best as possible:

Say that you are out with company (2-3 RIBs) in the channel going to France or near Lands End or in the Irish Sea, weather calm and suddenly it changes (as it happens) and wind picks up to force 6-7. You have wind against tide too (worst case scenario), waves will be huge, it will be cold, the wind and the sea will hit your face and you will be feeling the stress, you passengers will be afraid and you will have to slow down to 10 knots max to be able to make any head way.

As you make your way, your main engine breaks down, your companions in the other RIBs do not see that you are in trouble (very easy if they are concentrating to sail through rough sea and keep their crew and boat safe), you try to call them on VHF but they cannot hear you (wind and waves make a hell of a noise, plus the banging) or your VHF breaks down, the current takes you away from them and suddenly you lose site of them (all these events will happen in about 5-10 minutes the very max).

......and you do not have a spare engine!!

What do you do?

How do you save the people you have with you? REMEMBER you are responsible for all on board your boat (as a skipper ).

How would you power your boat (even at very slow speed) to safety?

If you cannot steer the boat with or against the waves chances are that you will flood the boat with water from the waves, or (the worst case scenario) turn over.

I am firm that on a boat that does any type of cruising you need to have (apart from life vests for all and flares) a sea anchor and a spare engine at all times.
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Manos, I think that your argument is well reasoned, but I think that in the scenario that you've described, an aux engine would be about as much use as a chocolate teapot, and would be very difficult to rig up.

Also, you're in danger of either broaching or swamping, but I doubt both... being swamped is actually a reasonably safe position to be in (in a RIB).

It would take some time to get the engine on the transon, connect the fuel, and start it up. I think that the boat would already be in trouble. I think that a sea anchor would be a better bet... but can't claim to have practised using one.

Communication is the key - I like cruising in company of people who keep a keen lookout. If you're in a flotilla, there should be a back marker with eagle eyes - a role that I always happy to take, 'specially if we're the biggest boat in the fleet.
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Richard what you say is also correct if you did not have the engine mounted on the transom at all time.
I have an 8bhp Mariner, mounted on a small braket and lashed on the A-frame.
In case of emmergency, you just have to cut off the strap and the engine fllas in the wayter and you just pull the cord.
The idea of the aux engine is to have it ready availiable not to try and rig it when you need it.
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This little thing is doing no work what so ever, however I start it every other day during the summer and is serviced like it had been working normally every year.
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Manos, so you've got your aux well rigged.

But here's a couple of questions I would like to know the answers to...

1) Have you ever tried to make way under auxiliary power in that F6 head sea you mentioned?
2) What's your range on auxiliary power? (real, not estimated!)

Has anyone got any real experience of these that they could share?
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