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Old 20 August 2013, 06:07   #1
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New or Second Hand Outboard?

I'm looking to buy an outboard, probably around 80 or 90hp.

The sort of engines I'm thinking about are:
Evinrude Etec 90
Mariner 90 Opti
Mercury 90 4s
Suzuki DF90
Yamaha F80

Considering the scarcity of used engines in this range I'm thinking of putting my second hand cash budget down as a deposit and the balance on finance to buy new... Max a credit card on 0% 15month purchase.


So a few questions
When and where is a good time to buy new?
Southampton boat show
End of season
Christmas
Start of season

Any dealers out there who want to move an engine this month? (please take this as an invitation to pm me with amazing offers...)

Or am I better holding out for a good second hand motor, how does depreciation work in say the first 5 years, or even up to 10 years?

Also what's this about insurers having their own set of low values in the event of a theft claim?
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Old 20 August 2013, 06:47   #2
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Hi Colcrete,

Unfortunately I can't help with your search for a motor - although as with anything i'd be inclined to phone / e-mail / visit dealers and let them know what you are looking for - they may have something coming in that they can sell straight on to you without having to advertise it.

Regarding the "insurers low values" I assess insurance claims, including outboard damage and there are several ways of valuing a damaged engine. The Insurers I work for normally want a "fair" value.
One is the "Threestokes" guide. This quite often gives a low value - but on a nearly new engine it can sometimes give a value higher than the Owner paid new I found when assessing a submerged e-tec.
For small engines e-bay completed listings prices can be useful.
Boatsandoutboards always has a lot of engines advertised and a call to some of the dealers who have advertised can often lead to value.

It is difficult though trying to find a comparable good condition relatively recent engine.
I'm always trying to spot a replacement engine for my boat should the existing one throw its hand in and there's very little about!
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Old 20 August 2013, 07:05   #3
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If you can go down to the Southampton boat show you are likely to get a good price on a new engine
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Thanks Searider, I guess this Threestokes is a trade publication of used values and not something I could get hold of easily which is why I'm looking for a rule of thumb formula.

There has been nothing much of this size on eBay recently and what does come up seems to be overpriced but maybe justified due to the lack of good stuff, which is why i mentioned the insurance value as a benchmark.

Boatsandoutboards is so compromised by fraudulent listings that it just seems to be a waste of time, although I still look daily in hope!
I have been looking for months now and am even considering buying a used package just to get an Etec 90 then sell the rest on.
What's a 2006 Etec90 worth in your guide/opinion?
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Old 20 August 2013, 09:54   #5
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Hi Colcreate,

It's not trade only - anyone can register and pay 2.50 for a valuation.
Unfortunately it's not a book as it used to be.

ebay completed listings are useful - obviously only the "green" ones where the item has sold.

You're right about the B&O listings. You've got to make a lot of phone calls to sort out the quality from the spam.

Have you tried Peter username boatsandoutboards on here - he has a good throughput of boats and engines.
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Hi Colcreate,

It's not trade only - anyone can register and pay 2.50 for a valuation.
Unfortunately it's not a book as it used to be.

ebay completed listings are useful - obviously only the "green" ones where the item has sold.

You're right about the B&O listings. You've got to make a lot of phone calls to sort out the quality from the spam.

Have you tried Peter username boatsandoutboards on here - he has a good throughput of boats and engines.
Found Threestokes on the web and have emailed them for more info as they have a CD of all values for 120 but its updated twice a year so want the next one. Might try and find 3 similar mates who will contribute....

The thing about Ebay's completed listings is:
A. You see the same ones being re-listed after being "sold" either due to shrill bidding or winners not paying up.
B. Most decent engines/ribs get pulled off early and sold privately.

Regarding B&O (also Gumtree) and scams, I have reported a couple over the last few days to their respective admins and have received replies from both saying they have now been removed. Suggest others do the same.

Regarding the member on here "Boats&outboards" seems to be a splendid chap who has given some great advice and helped out members. Rather than bother him directly (his mailbox is full anyway so I guess he is in demand) I thought I would start this thread instead.

I have received some great PM's today and will be following up all the suggestions.
Please keep them coming!!
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I know where there is a pristine Suzuki DF90 with only 20hours avail. Will send you a pm.
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I know the location of a 2005 Yamaha 2-stroke 90hp, less than 50 hours.
PM me for details.
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Hello Colcrete

We have a current edition of the guid, so feel free to PM me (will empty it) if y need a figure on anything in particular. It goes back 10 years.

We do get quite a few of the larger engines, although nothing right now. Again PM me me with your requirements and I will add you to the list, emailing you when something comes in.

I could get you a quote for new, with a good discount using our trade. Like others have said its always worth shopping around and going to the shows. I think Bill Higham Marine offer 0% finance on new a mariner Outboards, worth checking ?

www.BoatsandOutboards4Sale.co.uk
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I know the location of a 2005 Yamaha 2-stroke 90hp, less than 50 hours.
PM me for details.
Pm me your mail box is full
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