new control DF150

IBWET · 10 October 2007, 20:22

Has anyone here experience of fitting a separate throttle/shifter control to one of these new electronic everything engines?

Some of the threads here described doing it to older types of engine, but this things got sensors for everything (including throttle position). My initial plan is to measure the travel of both cables as they currently operate in the standard morse/suzuki control and try to replicate this with the new one. The trim and neutral start seem easy enough to follow.

It's the sensors bollox that's got me a little concerned.

Any help would be appreciated.

jyasaki · 11 October 2007, 16:19

I'm guessing here, but aren't the sensors on the engine parts (rather than monitoring the cables themselves)?

Shouldn't be an issue, I'd think.

jky

IBWET · 11 October 2007, 18:40

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Originally Posted by jyasaki

I'm guessing here, but aren't the sensors on the engine parts (rather than monitoring the cables themselves)?

Shouldn't be an issue, I'd think.

jky

Reading the installation instruction (not got my hands on the new contols yet) that came with the morse control, It was clear in that the control end was to be set up first, I'm doing it in reverse, your right the sensor are on the engine. My concern is more to do with altering the sensors,by alter the cable throw...?

I think I'll have a go and see...

thanks anyway..

bedajim · 12 October 2007, 05:49

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Originally Posted by IBWET

My concern is more to do with altering the sensors,by alter the cable throw...?
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I would think the cable throw will need to be the same to get the throttle/gear selectors to work correctly and if the sensors pick up off the mechanism on the engine end it will all fall into place

jyasaki · 12 October 2007, 15:41

The engine's control mechanisms each have a required throw; i.e. they have a certain amount they have to move to, for instance, shift from neutral to forward, or to go from idle to full throttle. You are not going to change that without changing the length of the arm the cable actuates.

Given that, you need to set up the controls so the change seen at the end of the cables matches what the engine needs.

I think most of the electronic engines have that as an add-on, rather than being strictly fly-by-wire. The mechanical controls are the same as on the older engines, they're just monitored by the electronics.

[I also think I lost the original thrust of this conversation. Sorry bout that.]

Little too hung over and not enough coffee this morning.

jky

IBWET · 12 October 2007, 15:53

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Originally Posted by jyasaki

The engine's control mechanisms each have a required throw; i.e. they have a certain amount they have to move to, for instance, shift from neutral to forward, or to go from idle to full throttle. You are not going to change that without changing the length of the arm the cable actuates.

Given that, you need to set up the controls so the change seen at the end of the cables matches what the engine needs.

I think most of the electronic engines have that as an add-on, rather than being strictly fly-by-wire. The mechanical controls are the same as on the older engines, they're just monitored by the electronics.

[I also think I lost the original thrust of this conversation. Sorry bout that.]

Little too hung over and not enough coffee this morning.

jky

Actually, I think you’re on the money; the distance the inner cable moves is everything and it's already set up and working? I just have to be careful replicating the movement at the control, the plan is to use a camera to record the original distances.

I'll probably still make an arse of it though..

Cookee · 17 October 2007, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by IBWET

Has anyone here experience of fitting a separate throttle/shifter control to one of these new electronic everything engines?

Some of the threads here described doing it to older types of engine, but this things got sensors for everything (including throttle position). My initial plan is to measure the travel of both cables as they currently operate in the standard morse/suzuki control and try to replicate this with the new one. The trim and neutral start seem easy enough to follow.

It's the sensors bollox that's got me a little concerned.

Any help would be appreciated.

Yes!

We fitted a fancy 2 lever race control (Gaffrig) and an In-control foot throttle to a Mercury 225 Optimax. It's just the same as fitting a manufacturer supplied control.

Which control are you using? Email or call me - the details are on the website!

IBWET · 17 October 2007, 18:16

Thanks for the responses, the jobs done it was fairly straight forward, it took two of us 7 hours (mainly because I wouldn't listen) we had to make the hole larger .

Cookee, they are Livorsi. Your right, the fitting was very similar to taking the original off.

As for use it's better than the old one, still no neutral lock, so as a compromise the shifter is to the inside (nearer the wheel) so if bumped the throttle would rev the engine before knocking it into gear, not perfect but better than it was.

The throttle under way does not creep off and it's very smooth.

The only negative I can think of is the rubber surrounding the levers lets some water into the consol when you rinse it...

This has addressed all the issues I had ..however not cheap.