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Old 08 June 2004, 09:56   #1
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Hydraulic steering and four strokes

I'm after some advice...

I currently have Teleflex cable steering which I believe is rated to 300HP. However recently a large amount of play has developed and appears to be coming from the cable itself.

I have been told that four stokes have a habit of stretching steering cables and that hydraulic steering is the answer. Now this sounds slightly odd to me even though four stokes do produce more torque, but I have looked at some RIB packages and even RIBS with small four stroke engines have hydraulic steering and the same boat with equivalent size two stoke doesn't. I can't believe thatís just down to the extra weight of the four stokes as on the small engines the extra weight isn't significant. So do I replace the steering cable, which isn't cheap and I may end up with the same problem again, or install hydraulic steering which is even less cheap.

So, has anybody heard of this and is hydraulic steering the answer?

If so are there any hydraulic steering recommendations - most boats I saw at RIBEX had Seastar kit.

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Old 08 June 2004, 17:35   #2
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Had Hydrive fitted a few weeks ago and what a difference, like a different boat. Well worth it. I still have the cable,fairly new, if that would be any use to you?
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Old 08 June 2004, 17:39   #3
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Our club Delta has a 90hp Fourstroke and despite me fitting a new cable and helm less than 6 months ago the steering has already developed a scary amount of play. Unfortunately they will not shell out for hyd. steering. (still at least I have it on mine )
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Old 08 June 2004, 17:55   #4
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Hydraulic steering transforms a boat. Worth every penny.

Go for Baystar, basically Seastar for smaller engines.
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Old 08 June 2004, 18:04   #5
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Hydraulic steering makes driving finger light, I have it on my boat & when driving anything with out it it dose make for hard work! Would you want a car without it these day's?
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Hi Daniel,

I find this rather surprising. The classic recommendation is to go for hydraulic steering if your engine is over 100hp. I've never seen it on smaller engines like yours and mine. (Mine is 60hp 4 stroke, similar engine to yours, but carburretted.)

Of course, anyone with a bigger engine and hydraulic steering will enthuse about it. How many have it with a 60hp 4 stroke, though?

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Old 09 June 2004, 10:49   #7
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Thanks for all the advice and the offer of the cable.

I dismantled the steering today and the helm is a complete mess - the cables pretty knackered too. I think Iím going to go hydraulic even though i'm sure cable steering should be fine.

Now Iíve been quoted £464 Inc Vat for a Bay Star kit - rated to 150HP, probably more than adequate for my use...or should I spend a little more and get the Sea Star stuff.

Thanks again
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A alternative by Hydrive same price!
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http://www.bosunsmate.co.uk/hydrive.htm

"We are now supplying systems from Hydrive. These are made in Australia, are well priced, and extremely good quality. They are suitable for outboards and inboards/jet units, and some special kits enable easy fitting to catamarans. Strong, reliable and adaptable to most applications, hydraulic steering insulates the helmsman from all feedback. This is useful on big RIBs and all other powerboats in rough water, and helps keep tiredness at bay.


Prices vary depending on the horsepower, type of hose and the style of ram best suited to your boat. Systems start from £395 + VAT.


A full kit will require a helm unit, oil, 2 hoses, a hydraulic ram, a drag link and a connecting bar for dual motor installations. And don't forget to choose one of our stylish wheels."
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Hi Daniel,

Just been looking on the Seastar website and it doesn't really explain the difference between the two systems (Seastar & Baystar) other than the HP rating. You could try contacting the UK distributor www.hypromarine.com and asking them? HTH.

Just found this which may help: http://www.seastarsteering.com/PDFs/SL6001-11.pdf
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Old 09 June 2004, 13:42   #10
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Thanks Nick & Louise,

I've been price hunting today and I can get the Bay Star for £395 and the Sea Star for £700 (both including VAT..etc)

Apparently the Bay Star helm is made from plastic and a few people have reservations about it surviving me hanging on it in rough weather. I have been offered the Bay Star cylinder and a Sea Star helm and hoses, for about £580.

Something for me to mull over tonight anyway...people who know how I drive will understand why I'm considering the Sea Star
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