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Old 25 August 2015, 16:14   #51
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Did we get a service history for this motor? I'm not going to read it all again, but I don't recall seeing a regular (annual) service pattern?

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Old 25 August 2015, 18:01   #53
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Is ten years old "old" for an outboard? .....this isn't a washing machine or a TV that cost a few hundred pounds.
The point regarding Ethanol fuels is no doubt true but this is a four stroke engine and the fuel shouldn't be anywhere near the crankshaft thrust bearings.
If it was a "one-off" then, perhaps, poor maintenance, but it kind of looks like Honda have a problem. All their glitzy advertising wouldn't have come cheep and maybe some of that budget should have been spent making the product more robust.
I think Honda spend all their money on sweeties rather than dev, If their Outboards and f1 engines are anything to go by! If you Google you will find this fault on just about every motor they make, strange.

They have lived on VTEC name for too long. All the lag and little boost someone once said, sums it up nicely.

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But if I google any two stroke manufacturer I'll get plenty of "blocked carb" hits. ...does that mean every two stroke has a fundamental design flaw? There are plenty of two stroke owners out there who don't have blocked carbs. Plenty others who don't use their engine exactly per the book (leaving fuel in over winter, using old fuel, knackered rubber pipes, rusty tanks, dirty supplies etc) who may or may not have issues. OK those engines aren't terminally damaged...

Every F1 team has had an engine or several blow up. They abuse their engines.

I'm not saying the Honda engine design is perfect. But we know this engine did low hours, and as several have posted an idle engine is not a healthy thing. We don't know the detail on its care and servicing. We don't know what checks were done for it happening.
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If you Google thrust washer Honda you will see a lot of threads with various sizes of engine. Honda have attempted to fix the issue on some engines but not the 150 in question here for whatever reason. Or, I can't find a service bulletin for the 150 I should perhaps say

I think the OP has been unlucky with it failing. Others have had this issue even with a solid service history and in warranty so who knows if it could have been prevented. I agree that sitting idol is probably not a good thing but others reported failures in heavy use so perhaps it wouldn't matter.....we'll never know.

With that said, I still expect Honda to say beat it and OP is out whatever for a new motor and you can't really blame them unfortunately.

Unfortunately, you will find design, or perhaps tollerance flaws is a better term?, with everything if you look hard enough. my own zuke 200 v6 (150 upwards I think actually) has been known to digest butterfly screws and writing it off for example. Thankfully threads like this are there and forewarned is forearmed and I have the chance to keep an eye on it (5 min job for mine).

If anything good comes from this it is likely to be how someone can check for this and if it can be fixed/prevented to help future owners of Honda's, at the very least others can go on THT and perhaps find out how to anyway. There are simply too many Honda's about to be bad motors so this is probably a rare thing to happen thankfully, my neck of the woods has loads of them anyway.

If I owned a Honda under warranty I would ask this also be checked at service time just to be safe.

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P.s the F1 Honda engine is abysmal ATM. F1 engines are not pushed to the edge anymore sadly. Also merc e.g aint had a dnf due to engine this year so it is possible, one for another day on another subject though.
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So I guess the question just has to be do the dealers know what issues and possible faults could arise with all makes of outboard engine.???

Is it a question one has to ask before buying a new motor..
Seems to me the very old motors are the best and made of stronger stuff..
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