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Old 23 August 2015, 18:07   #41
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Ive had the bf 90, had quite a bit of corrosion from the previous owners lack of maintenance. The only reason I took on the engine was because of the reputation with many reaching upwards of 9000 hrs on house boats over here.
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Old 24 August 2015, 02:59   #42
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WTF? You act like I was trying to hide the engine age. I am gonads to the wall and probably missed other "requests", too. Who do you think I am? Hillary Clinton? Sheeez. I still am not concerned about the age, and never have been, but am about the WEAR, like I stated. I think I said that before. I don't think Honda owes me a new engine, either; that would be ridiculous. However, them not owning the issue and giving a carte blance "out of warranty" without any offer of any help rubs me wrong. They could at least do one or the other, and SOME kind of assistance would be nice. I fully realize the age/warranty issue because that is the accepted norm and is understandable in most cases, which I've already elaborated on. What we need is a paradigm shift in our thinking of what constitutes "old". Cheers. I am done w/ this now. I appreciate the input but will encourage anyone to fight when they feel their cause is just, despite the popular and accepted norm. You either fight, or you roll over and pee on yourself like a puppy.
I take it, that you've never ridden on the Clapham omnibus


Early Hondas weren't called "Aspirins" for nothing, it's because they dissolved in water


I take it you have a full dealer service history for the 7 years you've owned the engine, that will help in any claim against Honda


Like I said, good luck
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So this is where we've come to.......we just have to accept that with all the development and advancement in outboard design we might only get a few hundred hours and ten years out of a modern engine.
There are thirty year old outboards with ten times these hours on them still doing what they were designed to do.
Honda... (and I've got one)... hang your head in shame
What's more, we're every bit as bad as them for passively accepting this example of p155 poor engineering design and build. They knew the mounting orientation of this "car engine" was going to create challenges and all they've done about it is brief their dealer network on how to "stonewall" customers.
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Age is just as bad as high hours.

Sometimes it is worse because it means maintenance was not done at proper intervals, oil changes were stretched out, or the engine was not ran on a regular enough basis to remove water condensate from the crankcase.

Ethanol fuels can radically increase wear to metallic surfaces.

Using non-oem approved oils or the incorrect oil weight for your region can also increase wear.
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Age is just as bad as high hours.

Sometimes it is worse because it means maintenance was not done at proper intervals, oil changes were stretched out, or the engine was not ran on a regular enough basis to remove water condensate from the crankcase.

Ethanol fuels can radically increase wear to metallic surfaces.

Using non-oem approved oils or the incorrect oil weight for your region can also increase wear.
Is ten years old "old" for an outboard? .....this isn't a washing machine or a TV that cost a few hundred pounds.
The point regarding Ethanol fuels is no doubt true but this is a four stroke engine and the fuel shouldn't be anywhere near the crankshaft thrust bearings.
If it was a "one-off" then, perhaps, poor maintenance, but it kind of looks like Honda have a problem. All their glitzy advertising wouldn't have come cheep and maybe some of that budget should have been spent making the product more robust.
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So this is where we've come to.......we just have to accept that with all the development and advancement in outboard design we might only get a few hundred hours and ten years out of a modern engine.
There are thirty year old outboards with ten times these hours on them still doing what they were designed to do.
Honda... (and I've got one)... hang your head in shame
What's more, we're every bit as bad as them for passively accepting this example of p155 poor engineering design and build. They knew the mounting orientation of this "car engine" was going to create challenges and all they've done about it is brief their dealer network on how to "stonewall" customers.
Did every one of this model fail at <300hrs? Seems premature to say it's a fundamental design flaw if many engines live longer. If it is simply a premature wear issue then I'll say again, on this older low hours example the dealer/mechanic should have been expecting a problem and been proactive.
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Did we get a service history for this motor? I'm not going to read it all again, but I don't recall seeing a regular (annual) service pattern?
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Did we get a service history for this motor? I'm not going to read it all again, but I don't recall seeing a regular (annual) service pattern?
It had only just been broken in ;-)
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It had only just been broken in ;-)
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Is ten years old "old" for an outboard? .....this isn't a washing machine or a TV that cost a few hundred pounds.
The point regarding Ethanol fuels is no doubt true but this is a four stroke engine and the fuel shouldn't be anywhere near the crankshaft thrust bearings.
If it was a "one-off" then, perhaps, poor maintenance, but it kind of looks like Honda have a problem. All their glitzy advertising wouldn't have come cheep and maybe some of that budget should have been spent making the product more robust.
It's not old, but it certainly outside of where a manufacturer has control of the product. There are simply too many variables once an engine is that age.

Maybe it sat in storage for 3 years with the same old oil from last season and the acidic oil ate the bearings? Who knows.

Fuel contamination of your oil can happen... even during regular operation because of excessive idling.

Oil analysis is a wonderful thing:
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