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Old 21 August 2015, 14:52   #11
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Thanks for the additional replies. Yes, no ranting, but I have no problem telling it like it is. If Honda has a problem w/ me broadcasting my info, then so be it. We'll both be out of luck. Honda has made a clear stance, and trained their customer service people to espouse it. IMO it is a bad, long-term strategy. Whichever way the wind blows, and whatever mistakes are made along the way by either party, we will both survive. BTW: If anyone has any market share data on the various dealers, from back a few years to now, it would be interesting to read. It may shed light on some of the unknowns here. For now, it all sleeps.
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Old 21 August 2015, 16:51   #12
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How old is the engine?

That will ultimately be your deciding factor in how best to proceed perhaps?

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Old 21 August 2015, 18:57   #13
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'05 that I bought new in '07. I know; "That's old." But.... 230 hours on a Honda should be still in the break-in period... sort of. cheers. j
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The best course of action would probably be a nice letter to someone high up in Honda marine in your country then and cross your fingers. I suspect it will take a while back and forth so best of luck.

You mention it has eaten the motor, can you elaborate what exactly is wrong with the block?

I would be looking at contacting one of the many engine specialist you have out there, just because your outboard guy says it can't be repaired doesn't mean it can't be elsewhere. I.e weld it up.

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Old 21 August 2015, 20:58   #15
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dubrus: thanks. i aim to dig into the motor and see what exactly has happened, but i am just swamped right now. when a crank moves sideways, it can't be pretty, so i expect the worst. i will surely see if a second mech can look at it, depending on what i see. btw: my mom was born in paisley. cheers. john
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Old 22 August 2015, 04:32   #16
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At 8-10 years old, I think the hours are irrelevant. Just my opinion, but find me a 10 year old car that sat around 2 years before being so with 15k on the clock and find me a manufacturer who thinks if its broken its their fault...

Materials fatigue with age as well as forces being applied. How do they know you don't store it in bright sun light every day and freezing winters etc.

I doubt any of the other manufacturers of OBs would treat you any different either...
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Old 22 August 2015, 05:10   #17
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'05 that I bought new in '07. I know; "That's old." But.... 230 hours on a Honda should be still in the break-in period... sort of. cheers. j
Well it's not, the break in period was probably 10 hours not ten years! I'd be surprised if any OBM manufacturer would warrant an engine that is this old, even if you could provide irrefutable evidence of its excellent maintainence regime and minimal use. If it is a known issue that caused a recall it might be slightly different, but if it is just a known weak spot, if you had any right of complaint it would be to the mechanic who knew of the vulnerability but didn't check it.
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This kind of reinforces the belief that a low hours engine can be as bad as a high hours one.
Engines like to work not stand idle & often the root cause of problems can be attributed to periods of inactivity.
If the problem was an hours related thing then surely honda would be inundated with warranty claims within their 5 year warranty period
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'05 that I bought new in '07. I know; "That's old." But.... 230 hours on a Honda should be still in the break-in period... sort of. cheers. j
Sorry to hear this, but to think Honda should sort out a 10 year old engine!!
You must have got a very good deal on it as when you bought it it was 2 years old!
Worth trying to get a good will jester to towards it though
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Old 22 August 2015, 12:56   #20
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I respectfully disagree completely with the "old is dead" idea. Alloy steel is not hypalon or a car's brake line. Steel WEARS out and is not appreciably affected by exposure to air, especially when oiled. There are a few old cars on the road today because of that. Dump trucks routinely run in excess of 500,000 miles. Guys pushed dozers off into the brush when they built the ALCAN, then came back 20 yrs later and fired them up... if they remembered where they were. Etc. This is not a case of rotting; it is a case where a defective engine failed because parts were poorly engineered and severe wear happened prematurely. Age is immaterial. P, EOS. BTW: I had a Subaru that was one of the 2000-2006 (?) machines with a head gasket problem. Subaru admitted the problem immediately and extended the warranty for several years. Mine blew after 11 yrs and 90,000 miles; that is understandable and I had it repaired w/out complaint. It is of interest, too, that my hypalon is in EXCELLENT condition still. And finally, my reference to "break in period" was hyperbole; roger, it is more like 10 hrs like most engines. I'm not stupid..... well, not REAL stupid, but I DO have my days! cheers. john
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