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Old 19 April 2007, 13:32   #31
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Err....... trading standards.......Guernsey.........you'd be lucky!
You are absolutely correct - but Codprawn imported his boat from the CI's (without knowing the terms of sale between CP and Prosport we don't know if technically Codprawn imported it or Prosport did).

If CP is the imported then legal responsibility for its CE marking lies with him. Otherwise it was Prosports responsibility. My understanding is that if Prosport were illegally bringing non CE marked boats into the UK then trading standards would be most interested.
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Old 19 April 2007, 13:39   #32
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The result is a 4m boat with a B rating and a 9m with a C.
although I am not saying this is correct - that is actually the point of the directive - so that you have something other than size to base judgements on.

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- as you said all they understand are bits of paper and if they SEEM in order that's all they care about.
thats a good start - did you ask to see Prosports design history file etc?

however there is a difference between proactive enquiries (where in my opinion it is probably enough to make enquiries and see files etc) and reactive enquiries where if there was just cause I would expect trading standards to actually seek evidence of conformance - e.g. in response to complaints / accidents etc.
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Many people(not us) in the computer trade had problems a few years ago. They decided to force small computer companies to apply for CE testing of computers. Now as all the computer parts you buy are CE marked anyway and all you do is assemble them why insist on it? It forced a lot of smaller companies out of business when they weren't hurting anyone.



Because CE+CE doesn't = CE in every case
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Old 20 April 2007, 08:13   #34
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Many people(not us) in the computer trade had problems a few years ago. They decided to force small computer companies to apply for CE testing of computers. Now as all the computer parts you buy are CE marked anyway and all you do is assemble them why insist on it? It forced a lot of smaller companies out of business when they weren't hurting anyone.



Because CE+CE doesn't = CE in every case
Explain please? Computer components are specifically designed to be connected together......
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You are absolutely correct - but Codprawn imported his boat from the CI's (without knowing the terms of sale between CP and Prosport we don't know if technically Codprawn imported it or Prosport did).

If CP is the imported then legal responsibility for its CE marking lies with him. Otherwise it was Prosports responsibility. My understanding is that if Prosport were illegally bringing non CE marked boats into the UK then trading standards would be most interested.
In fact the paperwork is suprisingly correct. If anything they erred on the side of caution too much - my 9m boat is rated as a Cat C - the same as my Quicksilver 3.1m - bonkers!!!
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for CE hulls, it meant nothing.
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I totally agree with codprawn; my Rib is also cat c - the same as my old quicksilver sib. Someone said earlier in this thread that the RCD system was designed partly so you have something more than just lenght to base seakeeping ability on. If that is the case why is a 7m rib rated the same as a 2.6m inflatable?
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I totally agree with codprawn; my Rib is also cat c - the same as my old quicksilver sib. Someone said earlier in this thread that the RCD system was designed partly so you have something more than just lenght to base seakeeping ability on. If that is the case why is a 7m rib rated the same as a 2.6m inflatable?
thats a question you should have been asking your vendor when you bought it - thats the point of the RCD - the vendor/manufacturer/designer tells you what HE thinks it is suitable for.

As another point though the RCD cat - also states how many people (and other load) are included in the classification. So my boat (3.9m) is RCD cat D for 6 or RCD cat C for 3. I presume the people rating is considerably higher on your 7m boat than the 2.6m boat.

Your boat builder has told you (via the cat C category) - that he didn't design your boat for use in >2m significant wave height or >F6 winds. Perhaps they don't think it is safe to use in a F8 with significant wave heights of 4m (ie cat B)?

However it is also possible that they didn't want the expense of going for a Cat B certification. As I understand it Cat A and B certifications require the use of a 3rd party body (e.g. the RYA) - ie. its not as simple as self cert C&D categories.
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I was told he did it to stop any legal problems should someone go out in very rough weather. For once he was actually being sensible. If there was more cost involved I expect that was a large factor.

My RIB is in a different league to my 3.1 Quicksilver in the rough......
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That's all fine and dandy, but how would I find out if my boat is really legitimately classed as RCD C and not just a piece of plastic with inflatable bits sellotaped on where the vendor decided he'd get out his biro and mark up the transom with the letters 'RCD cat-C'?
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