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Old 06 December 2006, 15:58   #11
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OK, well servicing is irrelevant here because there are no agents for any of them! So out of the box reliability is important because if it doesn't go wrong I won't need an agent do NOT want something that requires "expert tinkering" all the time or is likely to arrive with a fault.

I did see a very tempting price on a Vipermax in another part of this forum though, which has made life even more complicated
Many new outboards need laptops etc plugged into them for servicing and tinkering - could be a problem for you?

But the Vipermax has tubes......
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Many new outboards need laptops etc plugged into them for servicing and tinkering - could be a problem for you?
Need? Perhaps for things like the EFI and such; routine maintenance (100 hr) on the F115 involves: Oil change, fuel filter inspection, lower unit oil change, remove and lubricate prop and bearing, and "inspection of fuel system". There is nothing in the routine maintenance that requires electronic monitoring or access to motor.

The software for diagnosing problems on the Yamaha motors, should you want to do it yourself, is available from dealers, and runs, I believe, a couple of hundred bucks US for the application and cabling.


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Old 06 December 2006, 16:37   #13
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Hi Stephen

I was thinking that if you talked to one of the outboard manufacturers maybe you could get the software for free and become the local dealer for Stanley, just a thought.

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I was thinking that if you talked to one of the outboard manufacturers maybe you could get the software for free and become the local dealer for Stanley, just a thought.

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It's an idea worth asking, thanks for the thought if the diagnostic stuff can be got for Yamaha engines for a couple of hundred, then I may stick with those.

Its interesting to note all the little cruise ship Zodiacs that come round these parts all seem to use Yam engines which probably says something for reliability of those because those little boats get worked hard and breakdowns with a boatload of tourists are probably bad for business! I was looking at about ten of them the other day from my boat, all moored to the tourist jetty, all with 60hp Yamaha four strokes on.

Cod, I don't know for sure but I doubt whether it is needed any more than it is on a new Discovery 3. It's certainly a common misconception with vehicles but I manage the Land Rover dealership and apart from one or two of the guys who will plug a computer into anything that stays parked for long enough to get the window open (because they like playing with the computer!) we never put the T4 on anything unless it's broken - not during routine servicing anyway.

Yes I know it has tubes but I do quite like it....

Are the Yamaha engines whisper quiet at low revs like the Suzukis? A lot of the enjoyment I get from mine is in playing around dolphins and penguins in the water so the quieter the better really.
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Don't know if they're as quiet as the Suzuki, but they are damned quiet, especially at idle.

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a bit of industry info thats fact

in 2005 from 200 hp up every six modern. ie new tecnoligy units sold world wide were 2 stroke or to be exact etec

it shocked me but these are the figures every manfacturer submited
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in 2005 from 200 hp up every six cylinder model, ie new technology units sold world wide were 2 stroke or to be exact etec it shocked me but these are the figures every manfacturer submited
Really are you saying Honda didn't sell any big engines in 2005 ?

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to make it clear in 2005 from 200 hp upwards 6 out of every 10 engines sold world wide were etec, and this is from infomation supplied by all the engine manfactures , and honda is definatly not the biggest i think they rank 6 th in the volume at the moment .

it shocked me but then if you relise that i know of one & there are more dealers in florida that sells more hp per year than the uk and ireland put together its not hard to see why

intresting fact this year 2006 average hp germany 40hp uk is 68.2hp

we must like hp

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Pete that's not my quote you posted
Correct, I tried to edit your post because I didn't understand it

Hmm, if Bombadier bought OMC for a good price they may have struck gold with the Etec then. Good news for owners too, if lots are sold there will be plenty of knowledge and spares in the years to come.

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in 2005 from 200 hp up every six modern. ie new tecnoligy units sold world wide were 2 stroke or to be exact etec
Well, if you qualify 4-stroke technology as non-modern, and the E-Tec as teh only "new technology" (as so many E-Tec pundits are wont to do) then yeah, you're probably right.


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to make it clear in 2005 from 200 hp upwards 6 out of every 10 engines sold world wide were etec
This is a much different statement than your first.

Not trying to offend or anything, but I have a hard time believing that E-Tec account for 60% of the entire >200hp market. Would you care to share whatever data you have on that?

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