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Old 11 January 2010, 18:07   #1
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Etec vs Honda

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My local sailing club is replacing one of its 40hp outboard. We currently have 3 honda and 2 Mariner outboards and its time to replace one of the older Mariners.

I have gotten quotes from all our local dealers of various manufacturers and the etec has come up good on price, the main objections the club commitee have is what are the engines likely to be worth after 5yrs? We replace one a yr and have 5. They will be serviced and winterised but as a club boat will be used hard. Probably around 150hrs a yr.

The other issue is warranty, the evinrude only has a 3 yr warranty whilst the honda has 6.

Has anyone had any bad experience with either the etec or honda.
How much are they likely to be worth after 5yrs and approx 750hrs?

Any advice most appreciated.
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Old 11 January 2010, 18:26   #2
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Assuming a new 40hp costs 4,500, you normally lose 20% in year one and 10% every year there-after which would value the engine at around 2,100 or more than likely slightly lower. This is quite a good comparison, 2007 Yamaha F50, 830 hours, good condition. High hours but only 3 years old. http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F220978

Condition, service history and use all play their part when it comes to resale.
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Old 11 January 2010, 18:36   #3
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thanks for the quick response.

Would they both roughly be worth the same after 5yrs? even though the honda will still have 1yrs warranty?
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Old 11 January 2010, 19:43   #4
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Will Honda give you a 6yr warranty for use on a rescue boat?

Any particular reason why you've narrowed it down to only these 2 brands and not Soozook, Yam or Merc/Mariner/Twatsoo also?
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Might have changed but I got 5 years warranty or 1000 hours on the E-tecs, you might want ot check this.
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Might have changed but I got 5 years warranty or 1000 hours on the E-tecs, you might want ot check this.
http://www.boatscene.com.au/news/lat...year-warranty/
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the main reason for the honda is that they are very similar on price to the suzuki and yamaha and we have 3 already, that have all been very reliable. The etec has come in a good few hundred cheaper than the honda, hence the choice.
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the main reason for the honda is that they are very similar on price to the suzuki and yamaha and we have 3 already, that have all been very reliable. The etec has come in a good few hundred cheaper than the honda, hence the choice.
Less servicing or thr rude too.
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Less servicing or thr rude too.
More oil though.
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More oil though.
Mmm two stroke oil.
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thanks for the quick response.

Would they both roughly be worth the same after 5yrs? even though the honda will still have 1yrs warranty?
The Honda is more expensive from the outset, so this will be reflected in the second-hand value. One year remaining of the Honda warranty is attractive. Not sure how much it reflects in resale value.
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Old 12 January 2010, 08:01   #12
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I,ve had 2 new evinrude 2 strokes although they were the direct injection before the E-tec.As far as oil useage and performance i would say they arent much different.The services are though.I was told by a qualified tech that he has seen a high number of e-tecs with corosion isues although this may be due to owners thinking because they dont need a service then they dont nead maintaining.I didnt have an isue myself but then i always kept both mine on a trailer and wash with fresh water and regularly sprayed with WD 40.I think my main complaint was dripping 2 stroke oil when tilted up.It would drip onto the transome .This is common and to avoid it i had to regularly take the air intake off and wash it with petrol.My computer keeps crashing so i,ll post this and carry on with other info.
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I always found it frustrating when anything went wrong that it had to be fixed by computer/laptop and at first it was hard to find a dealer who was good at this .I had several warenty claims for sensers and i had the injection pump replaced.This was never quibled and i never had a problem with Jets Marivent.If i rung them to speak to them they were always helpfull.I myself prefer 4 strokes now.They are so quite and clean.When doing trolling or low rev work the two stroke will use more oil as its activated by throttling up and and down on the throttle .I used to get through quite a lot of two stroke oil I run twin 40hp 4 stroke mariners very happy with them.If i were to replace them i would definately consider the yam.Basicly the same engine but finish slightly better and the trim and tilt system is quieter.I know this as i have one too.I recently had a searider with a good yam 90hp 2 stroke and it flew and sounded good and was a totaly different feel than the searider with twin fourstrokes.for your club you are better off with yam suz mariner honda fourstroke. I dont think you would have a problem selling the evinrude with the warenty still left as fourtyE-tecs are hard to find secondhand if any good. Hope this is a help.Peter
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Difficult question this, they are very different beasts.

I know a few commercial users who run E-Tecs and they swear by them, I am told the fuel consumption at low rpms is outstanding and the service interval makes for low annual costs.

Personally I like Honda, they have been making engines with the same technology for so long that I feel they have it right. My own 90 is a Honda and I would swap it for another Honda without hesitation.

For the record my Honda is used for training, long runs of 20, 30, 60 and 120 miles in a day. It is used every day in summer and every third day in winter, so useage of many hundreds of hours per year.
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thanks for your help, i get the impression that neither would be a bad buy, so we will probably be sticking with a Honda although the etec dealer did offer us a few freebies that may change that.
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