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Old 09 January 2006, 14:54   #41
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Well... I was pondering this thread on my lovely commute home..... train operators... don't you love their reliability, cleanliness and cheerful approach to their customer base.... anyway... I'll put my money where my mouth is....steady.... I KNOW I have a big mouth...... and offer the following to RIVA.... in a short while; my boat will be down at Drivers wharf.... I love my wife, I do... I mean she's letting me keep all my toys... what a woman.... so I propose the following.
………I'll brim all three (switchable) tanks.... and we'll go for a play... start off on one tank... when we reach a suitable play area... set the throttle at 5,000, start the clock and switch to a fresh tank.... run at 5000 until the engine dies, stop the clock.... switch back to the first tank... restart motor..come home then brim the empty tank and see what we did...... for every litre per hour over 24 you pay £10 to a charity of my choice.... for every litre under, say double your figure and call it 48.. I'll pay £ 10 to a charity of your choice... for every litre OVER 48.. and remember that's double your figures... you pay £50 more to a charity of my choice... that’s reasonable, isn’t it?.. Oh and one more thing… If I’m wrong and my boat does very near your figure, not only will I apologise on this forum.. but I’ll take you for a meal and apologise in person…..is that fair ?.. as you know, I’m running a Humber 7.0 in “light” trim with a 21” prop supplied, fitted and set up by the dynamic duo of Frank and Andy at Humber. The boat hull will be clean and polished…..
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Old 09 January 2006, 14:56   #42
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dont think RIVA deserves all this - all he did was set up the testing, reported back on the "facts" (misprints and dodgy flo guages maybe) and gave his two penny worth on each engine.
Not quite.... he then proceeded to slate those who questioned the figures as not "knowing their arse from their elbow"... and at that I DO take offence..... I know where my arse is as well as the next man.. I spend long enough talking through it.....
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Old 09 January 2006, 15:08   #43
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dont think RIVA deserves all this - all he did was set up the testing.
I think thats the point - if the results are misleading.
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Old 09 January 2006, 15:12   #44
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i meant set up the testing as in he facilitated it by providing the ribs, not being the person responsible for the accuracy of the guages etc
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well he seems to be going to a lot of effort to defend the results if he took no part in the testing... ...however if RIVA didn't actually perform the tests and took offence at my previous remarks I appologise.
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Why does RIVA presume that everyone on this forum is a complete moron? it seems he can't take a very reasonable enquiry about the situation without insulting people......amazing from someone who needs these 'arses and elbows' to keep him in business
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i dont think he does.

david made an incorrect assumption that separate flow meters were used and questioned the quoted rev range and fuel consumption based on his personal experience. Riva, on the basis of being involved in the testing, knowing that a single flow gauge was used and relying upon published suzuki figures said:

"its a hard choice , the test was fair and exact to each engine . and it would be better if people did not think they knew there arse from there elbow . and asked first"

seems pretty fair to me, although with hindsight it appears suzuki have cocked up and there is a disparity in the fuel figures.

As an aside, could the difference in fuel consumption between the test and other users experience be down to the ballistic hull and set up? My ballistic is very light on fuel (not 24lph,but far better than 50plh) and wondered if this may have contributed to it?
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"its a hard choice , the test was fair and exact to each engine . and it would be better if people did not think they knew there arse from there elbow . and asked first"

seems pretty fair to me, ....
Does it? A simple and polite "Dave, we only used one flow meter for the test" would have suficed, surely? You expect someone whose income depends on selling boats to have more common sense than to be outright rude to folks, who are, after all the boat buying public? Then to continue to beligerently comment that we need to ask Suzuki if the 8,100 figure is incorrect, when at least three or four of us have these engines ourselves? Once you go down that route, you must expect people to pour scorn on the tests themselves... after all if a boat dealer, who set these tests up, can't see the glaring inaccuracies, what faith should the rest of us put in the rest of the figures in the test? Your theory of the Ballistic boat hull being so much more fuel efficient than at least three other hulls, Mine, Ian's, Rene's could hold some water (no pun intended..sorry ), but as the discrepancy was so vast between similar engines on the same set up, it would put the Verado in a pretty poor light if it was mounted on another hull... if the Suzuki was more than twice as efficient on the Ballistic hull, then does it follow that we could expect to see a fuel consumption of over 150 litres an hour from the Verado mounted on any one of "our" hulls?
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I got hold of Susuki, it took me a while

The revs is 6100 not 8100, which i think someone else confirmed

I suppose for me, if i had not so much interest and just wanted an engine then the , price and potential fuel economy would have probably pointed me to the Susi, However it seems that some users know this figure in real life to be different.

I think having 4 boats the same was great and hats off to RIVA to be able to do this, and maybe to conclude we should suggest a re-test with an agreement to the set-up ++++ so that when we get the figures back we will all say that it was a fair test, which some people claerly not in agreement with

Or, stick them all in a lab under rev/load conditions
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