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02 May 2011, 12:54
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Herne Bay
Boat name: Red May
Make: Zodiac
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp Honda BF4/
MMSI: yep got one
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Engine not used since 2006 HELP
Does anybody have any opinions or thoughts on buying a year 2005 Honda 4 stroke 40hp outboard that has not been used since 2006 when it was serviced and then stored.
I'm looking at buying it but thought id check first in case this is something i should stay clear of.
Its apparently clean as a whistle under the hood and described as looking brand new but could it be a disaster inside?
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02 May 2011, 13:08
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Alderney
Length: no boat
Join Date: Sep 2006
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In theory it should be ok, but of course it depends on where the storage was and how thoroughly the service was done before hand. A quick slap and tickle then in the back of a damp shed for 6 years and I would be scared.
Can you do the usual tests before you buy it? Compression, lube conditions, etc.
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02 May 2011, 13:11
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Herne Bay
Boat name: Red May
Make: Zodiac
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp Honda BF4/
MMSI: yep got one
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Channel Ribs
In theory it should be ok, but of course it depends on where the storage was and how thoroughly the service was done before hand. A quick slap and tickle then in the back of a damp shed for 6 years and I would be scared.
Can you do the usual tests before you buy it? Compression, lube conditions, etc.
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Having spoken to the chap, he bought in 2005, used it in 2005 and 2006, then took it to a marine delear to service and has stored it in his garage ever since.
I cant do any tests myself unfortunately and its a 5 hours drive for us to get there. If i'm better of staying clear then thats fine, i'll just keep hunting.
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02 May 2011, 13:31
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Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
Make: Humber/Delta Seasafe
Length: 5m +
Engine: Merc 60 Clamshell
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I guess the main thing to be suspicious of in any engine that hasn't moved in that time is the impeller, which could have gone brittle.
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02 May 2011, 13:33
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Herne Bay
Boat name: Red May
Make: Zodiac
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp Honda BF4/
MMSI: yep got one
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 514
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 9D280
I guess the main thing to be suspicious of in any engine that hasn't moved in that time is the impeller, which could have gone brittle.
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Certainly if we did get it i would have it fully serviced and impellor changed prior to using it. Maybe its best to stay clear?
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02 May 2011, 13:43
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - Channel Islands
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Quote:
Originally Posted by actions
Certainly if we did get it i would have it fully serviced and impellor changed prior to using it. Maybe its best to stay clear?
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The impeller is a service part anyway, just assume it needs changing.
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03 May 2011, 14:21
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Country: UK - England
Town: Marple
Make: Zodiac
Length: under 3m
Engine: Tohatsu 9.8
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It also depends on how much he wants for it....if it's a low price it's probably worth it, after all it could be in new condition with only 2 season's use.
When you get there (if you go to see it) is it possible to check that the engine turns freely? I once bought a Honda Firestorm (1000cc V-twin bike) that had been sat in a large shed for three years since the death of the owner. It had a bit of furring on alloy parts and the battery was flat. What I should have done was put oil in the bores before starting, change the fuel etc, however after a second battery was connected it fired up immediately and I rode it 10 miles home with no issues, on 3 year old fuel.
I did give it a full service when I got it home of course. There was also a Triumph Trophy 1200 and that was sold to somebody else, but it also started and ran fine after the 3 years lay up.
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03 May 2011, 18:51
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Herne Bay
Boat name: Red May
Make: Zodiac
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp Honda BF4/
MMSI: yep got one
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 514
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lightning
It also depends on how much he wants for it....if it's a low price it's probably worth it, after all it could be in new condition with only 2 season's use.
When you get there (if you go to see it) is it possible to check that the engine turns freely? I once bought a Honda Firestorm (1000cc V-twin bike) that had been sat in a large shed for three years since the death of the owner. It had a bit of furring on alloy parts and the battery was flat. What I should have done was put oil in the bores before starting, change the fuel etc, however after a second battery was connected it fired up immediately and I rode it 10 miles home with no issues, on 3 year old fuel.
I did give it a full service when I got it home of course. There was also a Triumph Trophy 1200 and that was sold to somebody else, but it also started and ran fine after the 3 years lay up.
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He has described it as looking like new, but of course until i see it in the flesh who knows.
We are going Saturday to have a look and all being well bring it home. I'm going to check compression (current thread running to tell me how), check all goes into gear, trim and tilt works, steering works and i'm thinking thats about all i can do maybe.
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03 May 2011, 18:57
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Trade member
Country: UK - England
Town: Plymouth
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,539
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Originally Posted by actions
He has described it as looking like new, but of course until i see it in the flesh who knows.
We are going Saturday to have a look and all being well bring it home. I'm going to check compression (current thread running to tell me how), check all goes into gear, trim and tilt works, steering works and i'm thinking thats about all i can do maybe.
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Dip the oil, check for ant water in it. Tug on the engine mounts. Check for play on the pro shaft. Also turn flywheel by hand (with kill cord off - never know) listen to what it sounds like you should hear and feel each piston compress. Any grinds, metal on metal etc walk away.
Let us know how u get on.
Peter ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007
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03 May 2011, 19:21
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Herne Bay
Boat name: Red May
Make: Zodiac
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp Honda BF4/
MMSI: yep got one
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 514
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boats&Outboards
Dip the oil, check for ant water in it. Tug on the engine mounts. Check for play on the pro shaft. Also turn flywheel by hand (with kill cord off - never know) listen to what it sounds like you should hear and feel each piston compress. Any grinds, metal on metal etc walk away.
Let us know how u get on.
Peter ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007
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Thanks Peter,
Making myslef a list now so i remember to check everything. Dont care if a look like an idiot reading from a crib sheet, but better that than buying an expensive anchor.
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