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Old 24 May 2011, 05:24   #31
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The op asked for first hand experience.
Indeed and I forgot to mention I have actually had (touching wood quickly) no life stopping outboard problems in five and a bit years. My old Johnson (sold at about 450 hours) had a starting problem once but I'm fairly convinced I flooded it by pushing in the key to activate the choke on a warm engine. Both the aux engines have suffered from watery crap in the fuel probably due to condensation and lack of use but nothing else replaced that isn't routine maintenance (plugs etc).

On the old Johnson I had a dicky neutral switch meaning it occasionally wouldn't crank but a wiggle on the throttle always sorted it so I think it just needed adjustment and I never got around to doing it before selling the boat as it only happened half a dozen times and I could never reproduce it onshore. I needed a new battery once, but that was just down to old age - I got to slipway and it wouldn't start, cell collapsed in the battery I think as I had only been out a week or so earlier.
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Old 24 May 2011, 09:09   #32
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I think it depends on the manufacturer and how well its been serviced.

I had a low hours Suzuki DT40 2 stroke on a previous boat, this was very low hours and was in unmarked condition but caused no end of grief on a regular basis.

On my last RIB (previously owned by NOS4R2) I had an early 90's Mariner 50HP, it was probably abit over serviced to be honest but it ran absolutely mint, much better than a friends brand new 75HP.
I managed to stuff the searider off the needles last year on an evening trip to Yarmouth, the whole boat filled with water up to the transom, the battery box, in line fuel filter, 25 litre fuel tank was under water for about 20 minutes whilst the bilge pump cleared the boat. The engine ran faultlessly throughout this whole episode, the fuel must have been contaminated through the tank vent but I had a water seperator on the transom.

I ve also got an old Yamaha 25HP 2 stroke on my Boston Whaler, not the prettiest thing and no idea how many hours its done but it runs mint!
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Old 24 May 2011, 09:40   #33
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I think it depends on the manufacturer and how well its been serviced.

I had a low hours Suzuki DT40 2 stroke on a previous boat, this was very low hours and was in unmarked condition but caused no end of grief on a regular basis.

On my last RIB (previously owned by NOS4R2) I had an early 90's Mariner 50HP, it was probably abit over serviced to be honest but it ran absolutely mint, much better than a friends brand new 75HP.
I managed to stuff the searider off the needles last year on an evening trip to Yarmouth, the whole boat filled with water up to the transom, the battery box, in line fuel filter, 25 litre fuel tank was under water for about 20 minutes whilst the bilge pump cleared the boat. The engine ran faultlessly throughout this whole episode, the fuel must have been contaminated through the tank vent but I had a water seperator on the transom.

I ve also got an old Yamaha 25HP 2 stroke on my Boston Whaler, not the prettiest thing and no idea how many hours its done but it runs mint!
I have a sneaking suspicion that boat thought it was a submarine
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Old 24 May 2011, 10:09   #34
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1st engine
1963/4 Johnson 40hp Electramatic bought 2nd hand in 1967, took engine totally apart & rebuilt it including a repaint & renewing a broken/damaged wire to gearbox that the main dealer should have done before selling it, all before using it, engine never failed during its time with us, sold in 1971/2, we just did "basic" servicing to it;

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Redband Merc 500 50hp manual start, bought 2nd hand in 1971/72, raced until 1974, cleaned ports etc, only problem was a broken reed valve which damage a piston but not the bore ( lucky ), when rebuilding we used tufnol to make the reeds from ( one of the first boats in Ireland to have tufnol reeds), engine went great after this until it was sold in around 1975;

3rd engine
1976 Merc 500 50hp manual start, bought new & still in use by me today, original spark plugs & prop, again "basic" servicing by us, did get a carb clean about 10 / 15 years ago after being laid up for a good few years,

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Bought new in 1991 Mariner 15 Marathon ( Yam based ) manual start, used until sold in 2003, never let us down, again "basic" servicing my me;

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Honda 45hp bought new in 1993 sold in 2001 with 570 hrs on it, main service by dealer, minor service by me, never let us down;

6th engine
Honda 2hp bought new in 2002 serviced by dealer for 4 years ( to cover 5 year warranty ) from then "basic" service by me, laid up in 2007 (winterized ) until 3 weeks ago, turned engine over without plugs etc, filled with petrol & started 3 pull, never let us down;

7th engine
Yam 40hp 4stroke bought 2nd hand in 2003 again basic servicing by me, only problem was a bad battery & broken trim sender, still in use today by us & never let us down, just very hard to pull over by cord when battery was down.
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Has any one had to use the spare pull cord i.e. that comes with a yamaha 20hp engine. You will need a 10mm spanner to remove the auto rope return ali thing from the top of the engine then treat it like a little seagull..... (without dropping the spanner in the wet....)
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Has any one had to use the spare pull cord i.e. that comes with a yamaha 20hp engine. You will need a 10mm spanner to remove the auto rope return ali thing from the top of the engine then treat it like a little seagull..... (without dropping the spanner in the wet....)


had to use it on my Yam 40hp 4stroke, yes need a spanner to remove top cover plate, do the "seagull" thing & the 40hp 4stroke is VERY hard to pull over,
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Did it with the old 2 pot 55. it was a foot on the transom job, and I modified the cord after that to have a big two handed bit of wood instead of a p!ssy wee plastic T, but othe rthan that it went second pull.

No flywheel covers back then!
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Old 24 May 2011, 13:14   #38
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i can see you are an outboard man and i will agree they are heavy and pricey, i've got over 1000hrs on my yamaha and if you cut in half my top speed to be fair about sea miles i have still done over 20,000 miles, pulleys slip when the rust gets on them from little use, impellors much the same as outboards, no leaks or corrosion on my old girl and she don't smell either, i put my wets and pasties on top of my engine, running at 80degrees it dries my gear and cook's my pasties really nice.
the lower cg is good as well for handling and the low down torque is good for towing.
i don't mind outboards i just find the new ones gimmicky
What I said was meant as a joke although some of it does apply to my last boat and its engine (Orkney 23 with Volvo Penta AD31D / duo prop leg). The impellor issue almost meant a call to the lifeboat when the thing stopped sucking water as I was exiting Chausey and the pulley / rust issue was a constant nuisance. But hey, the engine was probably 10 years old and had been badly looked after by its former owner. We had it taken out, stripped down and repainted; it looked like new after that. And yes, I used to dry my socks on my engine as well and it only used a litre a mile. Vive la difference.
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I think a lot of common issues with inboards are often down to the standard of installation.

For example my boss's Osprey 24 (not the rib), the bottom of the engine well is very flat with no sump to collect water. Add to that the under deck fish boxes drain into the engine well too. With it being quite a large area, that half inch of water that the bilge pump can't pick up equates to quite a large amount permanently sloshing around, soaking the starter, getting picked up by the belts and pulleys etc etc. End result is a rusty old lump which eats belts and has no end of electrical faults.
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