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Old 19 March 2003, 13:50   #1
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Electolysis Problems

Our Honda engine and boat were in the Marina for the last 5 weeks the engine was tilted out of the water but the very bottom of the gearbox doesn't come out. In the 5 weeks Electolysis has eaten a hole out of the gearbox and desytoyed the castings in the transfer box. So no water pump or drive. it looks like the repair bill will be arounf 2,2k.

I am certain that the problem has been caused by a leakage from the many liveaboards in the marina and am going to take some measurements between the Pontoons and the Water.

I am not likely to let this go and will invite the Marina owner to buy the new parts, which I am sure he will decline.

I have a couple of Questions which I wouldn't mind getting some informed answers to.

Does anybody know if the Marina owner would have a responsibility to provide a Mooring which is not actively harmful to my Boats

Secondly if the owner does not have such responsibilty would I be able to claim for the damage through the insurance. I accept that policies are different but I just wonder if in general it's classed as accidental damage.


Boy am I glad that I dry store now

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Old 19 March 2003, 14:39   #2
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Well Stuart I have owned a steel boat for 15 yrs and I can only say we never had any problems.We ensured that the batterys were disconected from the engine and the stern gear at all times.

The way this has happened I can only say that IMHO are you sure you didnt have a foulty ignition switch that coused current to flow through your engine into the water.I would be supprised if it is down to an adjasent boat, unless they are running a current into the water.Are the 240 outlets working,Did you leave a anything with batterys on?, or is there a short somewhere on the berth/boat.As you know we have a alli boat so we need be very carfull of any stray current at all times.

If you have had any electrical stuff done then you may have an angle with your electrition as there may be a short.I cant imagine your marina being responsible unless you can prove they are negligent and there power source has coused this and other people may have had simmilar problems with there stern gear maybe.

Good luck and we can all definatley do without that.

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Old 19 March 2003, 14:46   #3
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Legal Claim

Hi Wavehumper,

Ouch!!! that is one repair bill I would not like to pay for.

I have some thoughts on the subject.

1. First you would have to read carefully the liabillity "disclaimers" that are written within the contract. Assuming that a contract was entered into, between yourself & the Owners of the Marina.

2. If your theory on fouling did cause the damage you would have to prove who was responsible, not necessarilly liable. Two seperate issues.

3. If the Marina is under Management, you may be able recover cost if there is a case of negligence (fouling) on behalf of the management.

4. Check your own insurance policy to see if you have a legal claim service, this would a good starting point to help you process a claim against a third party.

I hope this of some use, good luck

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Old 19 March 2003, 15:07   #4
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I may be completely wrong here as I have never had a boat on a mooring (pauper!) but did I read somewhere that you should either lift the outboard right out, which is not always possible, or leave it down far enough for the sacrificial anodes to come into play? There will be dissimilar metals in close proximity.
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Old 19 March 2003, 15:38   #5
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Yes Dave you are correct as far as I know,I am supprised that in five weeks this damage has been coused.If there is a stray current then it speeds up the process of deteriation I believe.Sacrificial anodes are important ,But I am just supprised that a hole has appered in just 5 wks,Maybe tha Marina is discharging a current into that berth area but it is sure drastick and costly.

We can see wether we can source any Honda bits for this Housing. Manos had a good link if he is reading this then maybe he can post it.
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Old 19 March 2003, 15:39   #6
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Hi Stuart

OMG!!! it looks like you have a hand full there.
I don't and cannot see how this could happen to your engine but as far as the liability of the Marina is concerned I can say that law stipulates that a Marina Owner/Manager/Operator should provide a secure and safe anchorage/mooring for all boats in the Marina. He should also excercise due deligence that the boats in the Marina remain safe at all times.
What is safe is a veeeery long list of things.
So if the anchorage/mooring was not safe and the damage was caused because of that then you have a claim. Thw burden to prove that the Marina was in fault lies with you.
Sorry I can't be of any further assistance!!
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Old 19 March 2003, 15:43   #7
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Quote:
Originally posted by wavelength
did I read somewhere that you should either lift the outboard right out, which is not always possible, or leave it down far enough for the sacrificial anodes to come into play?
David I had raised this question before (as how to keep your engine on a boat while in or out of the water- it was a hydrolic gear related question but the electrolisis issue also arose at the time).
If I remember correctly, I was advised by many here similarly to what you say.

So I think you are correct
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Old 19 March 2003, 15:52   #8
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not much you can do now & wouldnt wish a bill like that on anyone - sorry to hear it

but at least others can now be warned

My question , would dangling a sacrificial anode on a wire from the leg have reduced the corrosion enough to stop this damage- the yaghties tend to do this ?
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Old 19 March 2003, 15:55   #9
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Stuart

have a look at:

http://marinesurvey.com/yacht/corrosion_in_marinas.htm

and:

http://marinesurvey.com/yacht/corrosion_1.htm

I know this is an American site but the info is interesting. Also, when they refer to zincs, I think they mean sacificial anodes.

Also on yachts, the anodes are always in the water and I have seen some eaten away a lot quicker that others in marinas. Is your open to the sea or is there fresh water involved?
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Old 19 March 2003, 16:06   #10
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Exelent Post Ribald very interesting links.
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