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30 October 2010, 14:23
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Edinburgh
Boat name: M&J
Make: Humber
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-tec 60
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E-Tec 60 @ 5mph speed limit
Hi I have owned my 5m Rib for 3 yrs now and having done all I ever hoped to, out and about in the Forth, I had intended, now I have retired, to leave the waves and tides and head inshore, specifically The Union Canal.
my plan was to sell my Rib and buy another larger sib I already have a 3.1 zodiac Fastroller
I realise that once my Rib is gone She is gone forever
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I am now considering entering the canal via Grangemouth next spring and using a 5 day permit, motoring to Fountainbridge Edinburgh
I have no aux and would want to use my 60 but worry how well she would cope
I would welcome any feedback
I would prefer to use the Rib
Cheers Ali
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31 October 2010, 09:50
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Country: UK - England
Town: Gloucestershire
Boat name: Pigs Ear
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 7m +
Engine: Honda 225
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Originally Posted by Ali T
Hi I have owned my 5m Rib for 3 yrs now and having done all I ever hoped to, out and about in the Forth, I had intended, now I have retired, to leave the waves and tides and head inshore, specifically The Union Canal.
my plan was to sell my Rib and buy another larger sib I already have a 3.1 zodiac Fastroller
I realise that once my Rib is gone She is gone forever
so
I am now considering entering the canal via Grangemouth next spring and using a 5 day permit, motoring to Fountainbridge Edinburgh
I have no aux and would want to use my 60 but worry how well she would cope
I would welcome any feedback
I would prefer to use the Rib
Cheers Ali
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The E-tec has been very much designed with the US Bass fishing users in mind.
At "trolling speeds" it is incredilby frugal and you will be probably using about 2-3 litres of petrol per hour at 5 knots. However like all 2 strokes they do like a good run to clear the cylinders out.
If you are going to do this then make sure you are set to run the XD100 oil and use XD 100 oil as this will help avoid too much carbon build up. THen when you get the chance give the engine a good full throttle run every few hours.
How often you need to give it a good run and how many hours you could pootle along at 5 knots is not a question I can answer. However you may find a better response here www.etecownersgroup.com
Chris
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31 October 2010, 09:58
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Town: Fareham
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I knew of someone that took their 200 Etec through the French canal system from North Brittany to South Brittany with no apparent problems.
It might well be worth considering a much finer prop, otherwise you're going to be at tickover all the way. Something else to consider is a rudder either on the outboard or next to it, because as we all know steerage is an issue at low speed.
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31 October 2010, 10:24
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Linlithgow
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Ali,
What engine do you have on your SIB - can you not move it over?
However a few things to beware of - the canal is quite bad in places for weed and in others for random rubbish dumped into it. It might be worth finding out when the canal boats are making the full trip and following within a few days of that and let them do the dregding!
I've thought about taking my little tub through the canal (as my house backs onto it so it seems odd not to!) but once your are past the falkirk wheel and the tunnel under callendar park it could get a bit dull at the (4 knot?) speed limit. I've cycled all of it a few times so there is nothing new for me to see. There are no locks - so little activity to break up the trip. Were you planning to take it out at Fountainbridge (is there a slip?) or then do it all in reverse (which would make the total trip 60+ miles at walking speed).
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31 October 2010, 10:30
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Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda BF50
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,047
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Originally Posted by Polwart
which would make the total trip 60+ miles at walking speed.
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Have you considered a trailer?
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01 November 2010, 10:48
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Edinburgh
Boat name: M&J
Make: Humber
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-tec 60
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7
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Thanks for advice
Hmm I will check out the Etec owners club and see what i can find there, I do use XD100
I am thinking mebbe nows the time to finally fit an aux I already have a yam5 but it's short shaft
yes i do intend to do the whole 60 mls at walking speed but being retired I have a lot of spare time now
a new prop also seems a good idea
the French canal has always appealed to me so mebbe use the union as a warm up and if all goes well mebbe think about that
thanks again
Ali
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01 November 2010, 11:54
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 2 x 115 Etecs
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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No problems running the Etecs at low speeds for long periods, the fishing lads troll for hours at tickover. What you want to avoid is running them in the 1800-2000rpm ish area on a planing hull (RIB) as they can overheat as they try & climb over the hump.
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01 November 2010, 13:16
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - England
Town: Cumbria/London/Brittany
Boat name: Into the Red
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 7m +
Engine: 'Rude E-tec 250HO
MMSI: 235 076 114
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,139
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
What you want to avoid is running them in the 1800-2000rpm ish area on a planing hull (RIB) as they can overheat as they try & climb over the hump.
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We have had repeated first hand experience of this  Either throttle up, or throttle down, and the temp shoots straight back down. We have seen it as high as ~105deg, but AFAIK it is only at ~120 when serious issues arise.
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01 November 2010, 14:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
We have had repeated first hand experience of this  Either throttle up, or throttle down, and the temp shoots straight back down. We have seen it as high as ~105deg, but AFAIK it is only at ~120 when serious issues arise.
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I've had it meself on both engines at the same time, coming out of the harbour in the 6kn zone, both engines went into SAFE mode. I watch for it now & avoid it. The Gurus on etec owners forum reckon it shouldn't happen but it does. My personal theory is the engine is trying to get over the hump & is working hard, but the boat speed is relatively low so the water flow is low. Also at around 2krpm the stratified fuel flow changes, so below 2000rpm ish, it's running lean so the fuel isn't cooling the pistons. At least it's predictable, so therefore avoidable.
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01 November 2010, 22:00
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Country: UK - England
Town: Gloucestershire
Boat name: Pigs Ear
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 7m +
Engine: Honda 225
MMSI: 235090881
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
We have had repeated first hand experience of this  Either throttle up, or throttle down, and the temp shoots straight back down. We have seen it as high as ~105deg, but AFAIK it is only at ~120 when serious issues arise.
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are you talking celsius?
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