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Old 13 September 2006, 05:35   #11
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This appears to be a contradiction. One the one hand you're asking for a simple motor, on the other saying you prefer a more complicated one.
If you want the least complex easiest to maintain motor, a 2 stroke carbed motor wins hands down every time.
It is sort of a contradiction, sorry. What I mean (i.e. the bottom line) is that I want something I can fix. The question sort of developed half way through the thread. There is no dealer backup for any sort of outboard here, if it went wrong and couldn't be fixed it would have to be shipped back to the UK (16000 mile round trip! and losing the thing for 3 months at least). An EFI engine, if it can be got with diagnostic kit to enable me to sort it out (I do engine diagnostics on vehicles at work so am familiar with the technology involved in electronic engine management) is preferred on the grounds of fuel efficiency. But I also know (from work) that you are pretty much stuffed if you don't have the proper diagnostic kit because you get into a hideously expensive "change that sensor/ecu/whatever and see if it makes any difference" circle at tens or hundreds of pounds per component (not to mention three or four weeks to get it to this part of the world), so if I couldn't be sure of getting the right kit to do the job, I'd stick with a carb'ed engine.

My preference would therefore be a 4 stroke EFI if I can get a complete setup, or an old tech carb engine if I can't.
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Old 13 September 2006, 07:06   #12
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There is no dealer backup for any sort of outboard here
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Is the DDT software available for laptops? Sure I saw a dealer plug a laptop into an engine recently as well as the DDT.

Would make diagnosing intermittant faults quicker without having to drag the boat to a dealer each time it coughed.

Only interested in doing this on my own engine.

Can plug my computer into my car (1995 VW) and view all sorts of information.
You either have the DDT or a laptop which does the Verados as well - the software isn't available on its own and it needs to connect to the States for verification to make it work - so even a copy on your laptop won't do anything!

The answer is get a DDT - about £750 second hand or go to as dealer!
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Old 15 September 2006, 11:48   #14
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Turbodiesel,

Is the DDT software available for laptops? Sure I saw a dealer plug a laptop into an engine recently as well as the DDT.

Would make diagnosing intermittant faults quicker without having to drag the boat to a dealer each time it coughed.

Only interested in doing this on my own engine.

Can plug my computer into my car (1995 VW) and view all sorts of information.
Yes It is available on a laptop, but its very expensive, and i think it might be available to dealers only, but im sure you could get hold of one!. The DDT is ok but they have stopped making it, so updated cartridges are no longer available for newer engines.
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It is sort of a contradiction, sorry. What I mean (i.e. the bottom line) is that I want something I can fix. The question sort of developed half way through the thread. There is no dealer backup for any sort of outboard here, if it went wrong and couldn't be fixed it would have to be shipped back to the UK (16000 mile round trip! and losing the thing for 3 months at least). An EFI engine, if it can be got with diagnostic kit to enable me to sort it out (I do engine diagnostics on vehicles at work so am familiar with the technology involved in electronic engine management) is preferred on the grounds of fuel efficiency. But I also know (from work) that you are pretty much stuffed if you don't have the proper diagnostic kit because you get into a hideously expensive "change that sensor/ecu/whatever and see if it makes any difference" circle at tens or hundreds of pounds per component (not to mention three or four weeks to get it to this part of the world), so if I couldn't be sure of getting the right kit to do the job, I'd stick with a carb'ed engine.

My preference would therefore be a 4 stroke EFI if I can get a complete setup, or an old tech carb engine if I can't.
If you are looking at a “simple” means of powering a RIB why not go for an inboard diesel as an option. At least you can still get some healthy BHP (and torque) with out lots of ECU’s and things that are going to be hard to come by out your way? As you keep saying might as well buy top quality stuff as there is not any point in shipping second rate kit out to your end of the world.
Got to admit it is quite an eye opener when you realize the other factors you are having to take into account when buying things, living out there and having to get everything shipped 8000+ miles.
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Tohatsu still sell 115/120/140 carb engines. Not the most stylish or most economical engine around, but they seem to be bullet proof.
They have electronic ignition and that is about as hi-tech as it gets.
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Old 15 September 2006, 16:44   #17
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If you are looking at a “simple” means of powering a RIB why not go for an inboard diesel as an option. At least you can still get some healthy BHP (and torque) with out lots of ECU’s and things that are going to be hard to come by out your way? As you keep saying might as well buy top quality stuff as there is not any point in shipping second rate kit out to your end of the world.
Got to admit it is quite an eye opener when you realize the other factors you are having to take into account when buying things, living out there and having to get everything shipped 8000+ miles.
Mainly price - I may be wrong (not really looked in to it) but I get the impression that the inboard diesel setups are a LOT more cash than an outboard? It'll be nip and tuck whether I can scrape together enough cash for a Ribcraft 5.85 with a DF140 on and I suspect if I went diesel it would add a lot to the price?

Living here just requires a little forward planning and self-sufficiency that's all

Mark, thanks, noted.

Garf's idea is not a bad one actually, it's been done before with other stuff and you can get some good discounts on stuff if you are the dealer
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The tohatsu came up as most economical (90hp) on a test I read this am aginst the suzuki 90, the opti and the etec!!!! Its also really simple and as already said very robust. They are dated but as you are the only bloke down there who will have a shiny boat who cares!!! ( I hasen to add it was only rated as best for cruising)

The test was found by typing "tohatsu test" onto google it comes up half way down page one of the bass articles.
The details a bit err non existant but it was complimentary about the engine.
Not a 3 star eco job though!
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might be worth taking a chance (which is easy sitting here in the UK )but I would have thought about putting the problem to the engine manufacturer ? the thing that seems to concern you most is the assessing of the problem, the part if you need one will have to be shipped anyway, maybe worth exploring the possibility of a link via internet/browser technology that would allow the manufacturer to plug into the engine remotely? identify the issue send the part...if they can, they might, given the uniqueness of the situation.

Obviously you will need your connection down there, maybe if there is a boat in it for the hull manufacturer they could organise for you.
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might be worth taking a chance (which is easy sitting here in the UK )but I would have thought about putting the problem to the engine manufacturer ? the thing that seems to concern you most is the assessing of the problem, the part if you need one will have to be shipped anyway, maybe worth exploring the possibility of a link via internet/browser technology that would allow the manufacturer to plug into the engine remotely? identify the issue send the part...if they can, they might, given the uniqueness of the situation.

Obviously you will need your connection down there, maybe if there is a boat in it for the hull manufacturer they could organise for you.
Good idea the engine dealer I currently get spares from does a fair bit of business with people down here so understands the problems, I'm not sure what makes of engine he covers, mostly seems to be Johnsons but I suppose its worth asking "what if I bought a new one" - though the most likely purchase is a package deal from Ribcraft so he may be less interested in helping me.
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