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Old 02 October 2006, 17:30   #1
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Centre mounted controls

Hi guys

It has just come to my attention that centre mounted controls usually do not have a lock on them.


Why not?

Surely a little dangerous with kids on board?

Has anyone come across contre mounted controls with locks?

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Old 02 October 2006, 18:03   #2
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Hi

My centre mounted lever does not have a lock as such, but does have a very definate neutral position.

I have it partly because of the kids, so when they, or even inexperianced adult friends, are driving I can reach the lever at all times with it being positioned between the twin jockey seats. And both of my kids do drive my RIB quite often.

I have to say though, with no disrespect meant, that boats and 200HP engines are a serious piece of kit, where kids should be supervised closely at all times particularly when the engine is running. My kids have been brought up to respect it for the extremly fun, but dangerous thing it is, and even at 9 and 7 years old have a good understanding of their responsibilities on board.

If I didn't think I could be fully responsible or prepared for their actions on board they just wouldn't be there, a neutral switch is no substitute.

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Old 02 October 2006, 18:29   #3
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It is a potentially dangerous thing

kids are kids and they make mistakes, get over enthusiastic in the heat of the moment and that lever could easily get bumped - leading to a disaster. I am picking up a new rib shortly with a center mount control and no lock on nuetral, even the boat builder is at loss as to why they don't do it.Telling kids is not enough if it was, car journeys would be a breeze.....

On another boat I use with morse controls,the accidental bumping of the levers is much less likely (and never enters my head) as the space is much greater around the boat and although still capable of 30kts all movements are smooth, this is the market these controls I think are aimed at. kids just don't need to be anywhere near them. a rib is a different proposition both in speed and space.

It's not about being aware of the dangers both my kids at 7 and 12 have been around boats all there lives with the dangers constantly being made aware to them but they are still kids.
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I agree with Nasher - it takes quite an effort to push the throttle forward and into gear - also the kill switch should be worn by someone responsible at all times - all it takes is a quick yank!!!
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On seeing this particular function missing on the control,(as a test) I asked my 7 yo to walk across the rib to get me something,he turned his back to the consol leaned towards the pods to get under the wheel straightened up after the wheel and knocked the lever forward......

Your right about the kill switch, but I also think that by the time it works the damage could already be done.


After using all three types I think they are designed to be on a flat surface and rib manufacturers understandably make do with whats available.
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I agree with IBWET. But it's not just a risk for children, adults can do it too. A good few years ago, as a passenger, I knocked a central throttle control to pretty much full on by accident. Fortunately everyone stayed aboard. My loose cuff of a big ribby jacket just caught the top of the lever. Lesson learned. The engine was in gear so the lock wouldn't have made a difference. However, the control didn't have a lock and a similar accident could easily have happened with the boat stationary and with no one at the helm. In that case folk aboard may well fall over and the boat could easily be off without control for a considerable length of time.


I know some folk feel there are advantages but I feel a central control is an event waiting to happen, to the extent that I chose to mount my throttle for lefthand use rather than mount it in the centre. Prior to this I only ever had a righthand throttle. I didn't take long to readjust to normal usage on the left but it took ages for an emergency action to be retrained to my lefthand.
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I have to say though, with no disrespect meant, that boats and 200HP engines are a serious piece of kit, where kids should be supervised closely at all times particularly when the engine is running. My kids have been brought up to respect it for the extremly fun, but dangerous thing it is, and even at 9 and 7 years old have a good understanding of their responsibilities on board.

If I didn't think I could be fully responsible or prepared for their actions on board they just wouldn't be there, a neutral switch is no substitute.
Totally agree. Much the same can be said of kids and firearms, or kids and motorbikes. Kids brought up from an early age handling such things tend to grow up with a balanced, safe and sensible view of the things, and tend not to have accidents in later life because if it is drummed into you at that age it sticks. If I pick a gun up I always check it's unloaded, same as I did when I was carrying Dad's gun for him aged about 7.
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Totally with Nasher on this. My central control doesn't have a lock but has a real obvious neutral position and the fact that it is positioned between two side by side jockeys means that there are always two that can get hands to it. Both my (qualified) children drive but I still like to be there to ensure that nothing happens and as yet (touch wood) we have had no issues. I wouldn't like to relaying instructions to a helm that has the throttle on the side and waiting for them to respond!
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I think it should be in the middle only with a lock.
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My unit is mounted on a 45 deg surface on top of the console, where admittedly it would be hard to bump into, and being genuine Suzuki it does require a heavy push to get into gear.

However I stand by my comments regarding the kids.
Stephen, your analogy with Guns is a good one, Engine running/loaded gun you have great fun with both of them whilst still having the greatest respect for them. When the boat is anchored with the engine off, it’s different.

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