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Old 01 September 2013, 07:07   #1
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Buying a brand new engine up in North West!

Hello Ribbers,

From my recent engine problems I have not been impressed with the amount of engine dealers / dealership support in the North West of England. So looking / thinking into the future I wanted to ask the question of fellow Northern Ribnetters if you were or had purchased a new engine (150 - 250HP) which brand would you pick, which dealership would you use or current dealership experience and what sort of service would you expect.

My current experience / impressions is that the dealers aren't that well equipped with modern engine diagnostics up in the sticks (Noooorth) unless someone can convince me otherwise

Thanks and look forward to your comments

Gareth

P.S. I will never be in a market for a brand new engine but maybe one day a newer engine!
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Old 01 September 2013, 07:50   #2
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Have to agree with the sentiment !! North Yorkshire seems to be a bit of a wasteland when it comes to outboard maintainence ....
Had a nasty experience at a dealer at Skipton that resulted in a destroyed engine & a bill for almost 500 for a box of parts that are still sitting in my shed !
It's a bit of a lottery & sadly I now prefer to deal with people hundreds of miles away for parts or servicing in Glasgow who actually seem interested in providing a decent carry on.
The south coast boating community seem to have the lions share of decent businesses. Simple case of supply & demand in my opinion.
Since the speed limits on the lake district there are precious few people around me other than cruisers on the rivers that have boats in regular use hence the rarity of dealers to turn to !
That's part of what this site does for me, gives me an insight into what's available & where.
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Old 01 September 2013, 08:27   #3
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I have tried a few places over the years and they seem to be like car garages some good some bad and you need to have a bit of an idea yourself.
I use Methely chandlers as they are Honda dealers and they will travel to you if you want and are reasonable with costs etc
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Old 01 September 2013, 08:28   #4
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Have to agree with the sentiment !! North Yorkshire seems to be a bit of a wasteland when it comes to outboard maintainence ....
Had a nasty experience at a dealer at Skipton that resulted in a destroyed engine & a bill for almost 500 for a box of parts that are still sitting in my shed !
It's a bit of a lottery & sadly I now prefer to deal with people hundreds of miles away for parts or servicing in Glasgow who actually seem interested in providing a decent carry on.
The south coast boating community seem to have the lions share of decent businesses. Simple case of supply & demand in my opinion.
Since the speed limits on the lake district there are precious few people around me other than cruisers on the rivers that have boats in regular use hence the rarity of dealers to turn to !
That's part of what this site does for me, gives me an insight into what's available & where.
Sorry to hear about your experience in Skipton which is a lovely part of the world with no water in site so can't fathom why a dealer is located there!

These modern outboard engines are so electronic driven and sophisticated (like car engines) its quite worrying that that we would have to turn to a dealer for help on the south coast or Scotland as its a long drive.

I know of a fellow ribnetter who sticks to old carburetored engines because its mechanical and easy to fix if it goes wrong and he could probarbly fix himself. I think the other issue is that the engine diagnostics is well tied into the official dealer network and is not readily available to the general public like other industry's.

I agree that Ribnet is currently our saving grace and I may now upgrade my account cause its so good. (well done to the Ed's)
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Old 01 September 2013, 09:03   #5
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Have to agree with the sentiment !! North Yorkshire seems to be a bit of a wasteland when it comes to outboard maintainence ....
Had a nasty experience at a dealer at Skipton that resulted in a destroyed engine & a bill for almost 500 for a box of parts that are still sitting in my shed !
It's a bit of a lottery & sadly I now prefer to deal with people hundreds of miles away for parts or servicing in Glasgow who actually seem interested in providing a decent carry on.
The south coast boating community seem to have the lions share of decent businesses. Simple case of supply & demand in my opinion.
Since the speed limits on the lake district there are precious few people around me other than cruisers on the rivers that have boats in regular use hence the rarity of dealers to turn to !
That's part of what this site does for me, gives me an insight into what's available & where.
Paddlers
I have used Mark at MJ Marine for some years now ,,,, genuine guy who really knows what he is doing. Well worth giving him a try I would say ,,,, unless you like the trip to Scotland
He is at : Oxmarsh Lane New Holland, North Lincolnshire DN19 7RE
01469 532231

I had the same issue locally until I found him !

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Old 01 September 2013, 12:04   #6
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Very interesting thread.

I'm also in the market for a new engine in the 150hp bracket but am very conscious of the lack of choice in the north west. As I see it, there's:

Bill Higham Marine
Liverpool Powerboats

Neither of whom have impressed me in the slightest over recent months and certainly won't be getting any of my hard-earned.

MES Marine in Queensferry who appear to be primarily a Jetski dealer but are also a Mercury dealership although no-one seems to know about them...

Outboard and Marine in Liverpool which is run by a fantastic lad but is only an approved Tohatsu and Suzuki dealership.

I'm left at looking to choose an engine based almost entirely on my personal experience with the guy who will service/repair it rather than any performance figures or price. Not in itself a bad thing but it does limit the choice available and makes visiting the boat show to see what deals are on offer a complete waste of time.

If I've missed anyone in the Cheshire/Merseyside area, do please let me know!
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Old 01 September 2013, 12:27   #7
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Very interesting thread.

I'm also in the market for a new engine in the 150hp bracket but am very conscious of the lack of choice in the north west. As I see it, there's:

Bill Higham Marine
Liverpool Powerboats

Neither of whom have impressed me in the slightest over recent months and certainly won't be getting any of my hard-earned.

MES Marine in Queensferry who appear to be primarily a Jetski dealer but are also a Mercury dealership although no-one seems to know about them...

Outboard and Marine in Liverpool which is run by a fantastic lad but is only an approved Tohatsu and Suzuki dealership.

I'm left at looking to choose an engine based almost entirely on my personal experience with the guy who will service/repair it rather than any performance figures or price. Not in itself a bad thing but it does limit the choice available and makes visiting the boat show to see what deals are on offer a complete waste of time.

If I've missed anyone in the Cheshire/Merseyside area, do please let me know!
Nat123 bought her rib off MES, I'm sure she would be happy to pass on her thoughts of them as a dealer. Not sure I would be looking at buying a 150hp off them, think they seem to deal mainly in smaller size motors. I would be heading to Nth Wales, there are good dealers out there who know how to service their motors, but as to how good their customer service is then that can be an expensive lesson to learn, it was for me!
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Old 01 September 2013, 13:12   #8
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Very interesting thread.

I'm also in the market for a new engine in the 150hp bracket but am very conscious of the lack of choice in the north west. As I see it, there's:

Bill Higham Marine
Liverpool Powerboats

Neither of whom have impressed me in the slightest over recent months and certainly won't be getting any of my hard-earned.

MES Marine in Queensferry who appear to be primarily a Jetski dealer but are also a Mercury dealership although no-one seems to know about them...

Outboard and Marine in Liverpool which is run by a fantastic lad but is only an approved Tohatsu and Suzuki dealership.

I'm left at looking to choose an engine based almost entirely on my personal experience with the guy who will service/repair it rather than any performance figures or price. Not in itself a bad thing but it does limit the choice available and makes visiting the boat show to see what deals are on offer a complete waste of time.

If I've missed anyone in the Cheshire/Merseyside area, do please let me know!
Barrow Boy,

I agree with you comments reference the dealers you have mentioned although I like the people in liverpool power boats they actually get a contractor in to do the mercury work and I have not been impressed with him.

I have also had one dealing with MES marine which I will be honest was not a good experience and was the worst of the lot!

Not had any dealings with any setups in North Wales and would be interested to know who they are, what brand they deal with and what their reputations are like!
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Very interesting thread.

I'm also in the market for a new engine in the 150hp bracket but am very conscious of the lack of choice in the north west. As I see it, there's:

Bill Higham Marine
Liverpool Powerboats

Neither of whom have impressed me in the slightest over recent months and certainly won't be getting any of my hard-earned.
I bought my rib from LPB and I have to say that any teething problems that I have encountered with the rib and engine Ian (the proprietor) has always sorted it out, the last time being when the transom saddle snapped on my Etec engine.

Now don't get me wrong it has sometimes taken a while to get my problems addressed but I guess like anywhere else "after sales" does take a backseat to new sales.

Also whilst I have been waiting for work to be carried out at LPB I have always been well looked after by Ian and his staff. So due to my past experiences I wouldn't hesitate to recommend LPB to anyone looking for a boat, engine or anything boaty
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I bought my rib from LPB and I have to say that any teething problems that I have encountered with the rib and engine Ian (the proprietor) has always sorted it out, the last time being when the transom saddle snapped on my Etec engine.

Now don't get me wrong it has sometimes taken a while to get my problems addressed but I guess like anywhere else "after sales" does take a backseat to new sales.

Also whilst I have been waiting for work to be carried out at LPB I have always been well looked after by Ian and his staff. So due to my past experiences I wouldn't hesitate to recommend LPB to anyone looking for a boat, engine or anything boaty
Hmmmmm, I admire your equilibrium. I'd call a broken saddle on an engine under warranty a tad more than a 'teething problem' but it's good to hear it was sorted to your satisfaction by LPB.

I'm interested to hear which of the dealers in North Wales gets a thumbs-up....
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