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Old 22 April 2006, 17:41   #1
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Best 250

On the assumption that my Opti's goosed. I wondered what experience people have of the following engines:

1. Yam 250 4 stroke
2. Suzuki 250 4 stroke
3. Evinrue E-tec 250 2 stroke

I'm discounting the Verado on grounds of fuel consumption.

Think option 2 could be best bet?
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Old 23 April 2006, 00:37   #2
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Yamaha, we have had both 225 and 250 four stroke,
There are many threads on this subject but none have convinced me other wise, let the debate begin.
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Old 23 April 2006, 04:17   #3
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Rib internationals tests seemed inconclusive, but the Suzuki looks like the most frugal, and the cheapest?
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Old 23 April 2006, 04:56   #4
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Hi, Someone told me that Yamaha has a timing belt. I know Suz has a chain, and that is better. If your going to use your boat with heavy load I also belive that you will feel the Suz have better "torque". That is because it is geared down twice. Otherwice I dont think its much that seperate Suz and Yam. A Tornado with twin Yam 150 /4 stroke that was stolen last year had 1100 hours without major faults. I have a Suz 250 with 250 hours. Apart from probs with the gearcontrole initially, its been working fine. As Martin says in another thread we blew one ( head gasket ) 5 months ago. It was replaced immidiatly ( short block ) by Suz. They also put another engine on the boat while repairing it.

For me E-tec is not interresting. (Changing sparkplugs every 100 hour, lot of 2 stroke oil and the noice)
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Old 23 April 2006, 05:42   #5
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We use all our equippment hard, and the 2x250 Evinrude were worn out quite rappedly. Everything broke except from the powerhead. We also had to carry 600l of two-stroke oil that season. The sparkplugs only lasts half of the time as stated by Evinrude. So Evinrude is out of the question.
We have had 225 fourstroke Yamaha for four years, it has more than 700 hours, no problem except for a broken bracket. We hear similar storries all the time. Do not go for the HPDI which is no good.
The Verado is defenately not an engine to eliminate. Yes it uses more gas than the other engines after 5000 rpm, but how much time do you spend there, maybe 5% of your total boatingtime? We have discussed the Verado with several other searaftingcompanies in Sweeden, and nobody has broblems with it. We have new Revenger 34 with a pair of them, they will be started the first time next Thuesday. If we have any problems with them, we sure will post.
When it comes to Suzuki, it is a great engine, but three blown 2005 250`s within the last 5 months in Norway alone is no good. Also hard to find proppelers for them if you want to go faster than 52 knots. This is because of their gearratio. We have to use 32" and 34" proppelers, and that is hard to find. We can not afford to take any chanses, so we probbably will go for Yamaha or Verado on our next Revenger arriving in May. The only reason for us to not go for Yamaha is that there is no service for Yamaha in town. We will use our Verdoes hard during April/May, and if they survive, we go for another pair of Veradoes. If not we have to choose the Yamaha even if they do not service the engies in our town.
Yamaha are said to come with 300hp fourstroke this season.
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Old 23 April 2006, 06:15   #6
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Fjordrafting i have had the same experience with the Evinrude using the spark plugs very quickly.

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Old 23 April 2006, 06:30   #7
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Are we talking about the earlier Evinrudes or the Etec?

It's a bit late for me, as my engine has already been purchased but it would be interesting for any of us looking at these engines to know if it is the Etec or its forerunner that you are commenting upon. It seems that the Etec is a rather different engine to what has gone before.

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I was talking about E-tecs

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Old 23 April 2006, 08:16   #9
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Quinquari nearly always supply Evinrudes with their commercial boats - they get quite a pasting but never seem to have much trouble.

Those Norwegians use their boats VERY hard indeed. For private use I don't think you would go far wrong with the Suzuki. They are also very good on fuel and prob the cheapest as well. Not only that but they are quite a bit lighter than the competition.

As you are in the Channel Islands why not have a word with Bob at Shoreline in Guernsey - very nice bloke and really knows his stuff - I am sure he will do you a good deal.

Personally it would be

1st Evinrude Etec
2nd Suzuki
3rd Yamaha
4th Verado

I know you need something soon but the one I will be looking out for will be the new suzuki 300hp due to be launched early next year.
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Talking about both the DI and the etec. The sparks had to be changed every 50 hour on the DI, and every 150 hour on the etec. This is half the time of what Evinrude claims. After 50/150 hours, it is impossible to start the engines.
And the thing about the etec being less thursty is bull because what you save in gas, you spend in oil.
The oilconsumption on the DI was 2% and the etec more like 1.5% than the 1% claimed by Evinrude.
All the brackets and gear seam to be the same on DI and etec. We have broken two gearboxes. But for a normal boater, this is no problem. As said before, we do go harder with our gear than most others do. So not to worry at all for your etec, they will serve you just fine. And there are always opinions about everything, others will say the exact opposit of what we say, and they can be 100% certain that what they say is right.
We are just letting out our oppinion in this discusion.
As to Quinquari, their boats are big and slow and do not get much airtime. A 11, rib with twin 200 etec and 14 people on board is cruising at 30-35 knots. You don`t break anything than else than a cheap African rib at that speed or maybe a Tornado, if you should belive what Rib International and HMS wrote a month ago;-).
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